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Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:23 am

Well, my first thread and my current sig are derived from the same work... while my forum name is not. I just couldn't sit here and say "hello" when, for me, it is so much more, and it has just been such a deep and meaningful day. Anyhow, I'll do it properly now. Hello. I seek to remain anonymous for the time being, although I have no affiliation with the group of the same name. Like many here and hopefully more to come, I grew up in Scientology. Some of you may know me or of me, we may have gone to school together, we probably know/knew a lot of the same people. I hope I don't kill you with the mystery of it all, but all things in their time. For the record, I am not an activist, I am no longer a Scientologist and I have not been declared or been issued a non-enturbulation order. Other than an outstanding freeloader debt, I am in "good standing" with the Church. As such, I have connections with family and friends that I wish to preserve for the time being. However,...

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Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:17 am

This is actually something that I am touching upon in the article that I am writing right now... which has more to do with how the whole thing holds itself together. Every story I have heard about somebody getting out of Scientology has involved a long and/or difficult process... especially ex SO peeps. My girlfriend asked me the other day, that if people wanted to leave, why didn't they just leave? In some few cases, there are physical and human barriers but what is relied on the most as I see it, is the culture and the nearly identical ideas of the consequences and the fact that some things are actually un-thinkable.

I can't do it justice ATM but I am working on it.

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Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:52 am

Just as another WTF moment for me, I was under the impression that FZ was all about individuality, lack of control... so ppl leaving the FZ seems like it wouldn't be a big deal.

I could be way off base though.

Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:36 am

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Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:08 am

Lets start with the basics, Study Tech. I work in a technical field but its also an "old boys network" sometime you really need to know when a three inch nipple isn't something you talk to a plastic surgeon about. What about a robot dick? So to the extent that I need to know what the hell I am talking about, yeah its important. Someone can describe the project to me but a diagram or model is what I use to build it. If I stumble across a conversation that is miles over my head, I know that I need to take notes because I have some catching up to do. My only advice is to recognize when you "get it" and when you don't. After that, don't ever let anyone tell you you don't understand something when you do and can demonstrate you do. Raise hell if you have to even if it gets you kicked out. I spend a summer grounded for getting kicked out of Delphi but as it turns out, the textbook that I was objecting to was in fact in error. The other shenanigans were entirely my fault t...

Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:37 am

And god damn if I don't want to punch most of your parents in the mouth. What the hell is wrong with them. I won't though, 'cause anon is nonviolent for legal reasons, but I really, really want to. I don't know where I'm going with this. Inigo...I hope we win. Well if it makes you feel better, I did, on a couple of occasions. Pretty sure I punched some other peoples parents as well. A friend of mine growing up (still in the church) beat the living shit out of his dad, but that was largely dis-related to scn, but the dad did have it coming for all the years that he abused his kids... and I am not talking about indoctrination or anything run of the mill that we may discuss here. I mean the good old-fashioned beatings kind of abuse. That being said, keeping it non-violent for legal reason is a minimum standard, as you know, ANYTHING that feeds into the church being persecuted like Jesus only furthers their ends and their own internal culture of fear and manipulation. I am of the opinion ...

Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:35 pm

Well, I went to Delphi, over the course of some years. In fact I was kicked out. Much like when I left the SO, there were no hard feelings... no huge or queer justice actions. Point being, I always had "education problems" and hours and hours of M9 word-clearing didn't fix it. I think the only thing I had going for me is that I was a reader and maybe a bit too curious about chemistry and probably got an unhealthy amount of amusement out of lighting shit on fire. Fortunately, nobody was hurt... very much. So how does my partial Delphi education compare to other schools? To this day, I haven't finished more than 24 units of college but in the classes I did take I was considered one of the brighter students. A couple of my professors had commented that I had an unusually strong grasp of the field for someone with so little formal education. I don't know if I should attribute that to myself and the summer I "lived" in a library or my past schooling. On the plus side the...

Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:11 am

I can tell you right now that Hollywood executives and Publicists are having a cow over Tom Cruise pushing Scientology and I would bet my bottom dollar that Will Smith's reps are talking to him about it too. There was recently a column in Daily Variety written by Peter Bart after the TC bio came out and the video. In it, he says the buzz in Hollywood is that TC is hurting his marketablity with all this and it started with his attacks on Brooke Shields. He then fired his publicist who was handling his career for years and put his sister (also in Scientology) in charge of his image. She utterly failed and now is back handling TC's charity work. So yes, I think they are having to be careful and the more the true information comes out and hits the news, I think the more Celebrities will open their eyes. At least I hope so. Another point, TCs image really did start going to hell when his sister started handling PR and whatnot. The couch jumping episode? Yeah, thats her. Brook Shields? Yep,...

Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:57 am

I have a degree in electrical engineering. I can tell you that the e-meter will respond to: 1. how much your hands sweat 2. how much cream and stuff you have on your hands 3. how tightly you grip the cans (actually holding them loosely and trying to keep that hold the same will cause minute changes in your grip to register changes. Hold your hand up near your face and try to hold it completely still. That slight trembling? Yep, that's going to register somewhat. Not as trembling of the needle though, because the circuit is dampened. But your grip will change over the minutes or hours you hold the thing. I'd say that will be the biggest factor in the reading for sure. Anyway, it's pretty much a crock. You can do the same thing with a $5.98 ohmmeter from home depot. You can reproduce some phenomena and probably not others. *shrug* That said Speaking of science: if I shake a cold bottle of water really hard, will it warm up faster due to kinetic energy? I still can't figure that one out....

Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:30 am

Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:09 pm

Well, if we are talking about Big Pharma and the FDA, this is something I know a little about since I have family that work in the industry. This is a big issue just in the US overall just with the cost of prescription medication and what does and does not get FDA approval. First of all, the FDA does very little of their own testing and studies. Near as I can tell, they only test and/or commission studies after something has gone to market and has turned out to have "unforeseen" side-effects... like the most recent quitting aid for smoking. Its a drug designed to block pleasure receptors so you get no pleasure from smoking a cigarette. Needless to say, there were a number of suicides from the drug... people not only quit smoking, they quit life. From what I have seen, the FDA mostly just inspects the manufacturing and packaging facilities and cross check the prior studies done on the product. The responsibility for producing a drug that works and works as intended is left ent...

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Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:52 pm

OK, here's a story that isn't mine... and devoid of names for my own anonymity. I know a girl, young woman now, who joined the SO when she was 16. Broke up with her boyfriend to do it and proceeded to do the SO thing. Six months later, her boyfriend had a change of heart (she had tried to recruit him as part of her own recruitment process). Shortly after he finished the EPF, they got married, got their own berthing etc. Everything seemed fine... until about 8 months later. His sex drive dropped to nill. For whatever reason he had become bulimic. He dealt with the pressure of his post (which I can't recall at the moment) by eating A LOT, but then felt guilty about eating so much that other people may have not gotten enough to eat. As I recall, a few people gave him a hard time about it. He would feel bad and nausious and then go find a quite place to puke. As soon as he realized that he had a problem, he had the shame on top of that. In no time, he lost interest in hot sweaty sex with h...

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