Message from the Church of Scientology International

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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:11 pm

Message from the Church of Scientology International

"You have asked why we have taken the time to contact you individually. We want you to understand that there are illegal acts being committed by individuals who say they are part of, or leaders of, Anonymous. The videos we have shared with you are the videos posted by members of Anonymous. They are not our words. The bomb threats, death threats, simulated anthrax attacks, the denial of service attacks, the vandalism at Church facilities and pornographic and racist communications sent daily to our churches are illegal acts of individuals who say they are part of Anonymous. The Church has no way of knowing who committed these acts of violence or who is sending daily threats—all we know is that they say they are part of Anonymous.

We know that certain self-described leaders of Anonymous have made statements denying that the illegal acts are being committed by Anonymous. That is simply untrue. The simulated anthrax attacks came with a manifesto written by Anonymous; a package simulating a bomb was delivered by a man wearing an Anonymous mask—and he said it was from Anonymous; bomb threats called in come from persons who claim to be part of Anonymous; and Anonymous flyers and graffiti are left at sites where vandalism has occurred. The members of Anonymous who commit these illegal acts believe they will not be punished because they cannot be identified. They also do not care if innocent members of Anonymous (who believe they are simply expressing their free speech rights) risk being knowing or unknowing accessories to these criminal acts.

The Church seeks only to eliminate and prevent future criminal activity directed against the Church and its parishioners. That is why we seek to identify Anonymous members and make contact with you. That is why Anonymous members are receiving letters from the Church's attorneys. We want innocent members of Anonymous to know that they are being unwittingly duped by the leaders of Anonymous.

We hope that those of you who are peaceful individuals will understand the scope of the terrorist campaign that has been waged against the Church by Anonymous and that you will renounce that violence and think twice about whether you truly want to be associated with a group that engages in these kinds of activities.

The Church respects the rights of all individuals to speak freely and to worship freely. We ask only the Church and it parishioners be afforded the same respect.


Church of Scientology
International
March 31, 2008"
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:35 pm

Seriously, stop beating the dead horse.

No Anon has ever sent you a serious death threat, although I don't understand why the prank callers even bothered with that since it's the least lulzy form of prank calling, and even more useless with e-mails.

Anon did not send you 3.8 million e-mails. We simply added your e-mail addresses to spam bots, no harm really, it's just a way of being an annoyance really.

No Anon ever sent you the "anthrax", even FBI have said that there was no connection between the DDoS attacks and the white powder letters, and you just got caught in a lie. I guess that describes the rest of the message as well.

Anon reported all the bomb threat videos to the FBI and Youtube. And those bombs, we were probarbly more surprised than you guys.

And for fucks sake, get it through to your useless skulls; Anonymous has no leaders. Ofcourse being a bunch of brainwashed morons thinking like an anthill the idea of no one telling you what to do would be impossible to grasp anyway, so I guess you're excused.
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:46 pm

Re: Message from the Church of Scientology International

ChurchOfScientologyInt wrote:tl;dr


Free hugs are terrorism?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqhruGNyWUU
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:49 pm

Well, that was polite enough on your part, although this was a form posting.

However, regardless of what you might think, there are no "leaders" for all intents and purposes.

There are people that, to be sure, might enjoy making trouble. But for the most part, people have become involved because there are too many reports of too many abuses by your organization for people to sit idly by and do nothing.

No one is refuting the right of any individual to practice whatever set of faiths and beliefs that one might wish to.

HOWEVER.

The general consensus as regards the organization is that it is a corrupt body, at the top levels, with a culture that allows too many abuses, the genesis of such also being the top.

If you can find irrefutable evidence that a particular person has committed an illegal act, then that information should be forwarded to the proper authorities.

This is a two edged sword though. Illegal acts by members of your organization should also be reported.

Unfortunately, according to the policies and procedures set forth in your organization policies, such is considered suppressive to your faith and organization.

So, until all abuses that are committed within the organization are reported to the proper authorities on a consistent basis, I highly doubt any individual would go out of their way to help your investigative practices.

I am a private individual. I am not anonymous. I am a bystander to your current debate with the group.

But I am not unconcerned. On either side.

Please take this, as a polite note, for exactly what it says. And, as a side comment, you have no permission from me to republish this information for any other purpose that to inform your superiors as regards the general position and consensus that you have found.

Sincerely,
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:54 pm

As moderator, I have moved your thread to the "Pro Scientology" forum, shadowing it under threats and harrassment.

If an administrator decides this is incorrect, they will rectify this.

However, your other two copies of the same message have been moved to the vault as redundant. And no shadow has been left in those places. I will be polite as possible about this, as this is NOT an attempt to suppress your message but to force you to conform to board rules.
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:11 pm

I don't think this is really a message from the Church of Scientology International. There are at least 3 things about it that are out-tech.

And the CoS already knows the leaders of anonymous - psychiatrists, psychologists, the German Secret Service, the FBI, the NSA, the KKK, the Nazis, the Communists, the Zionists, the IRS...

(edited by RLSteve to remove OT III terms)
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:16 pm

guardianofthetubes wrote:I don't think this is really a message from the Church of Scientology International


Trust me, it is the Church of Scientology International. I checked the e-mail address.
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:19 pm

RLSteve wrote:
guardianofthetubes wrote:I don't think this is really a message from the Church of Scientology International


Trust me, it is the Church of Scientology International. I checked the e-mail address.


What was the address?
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:21 pm

guardianofthetubes wrote:I don't think this is really a message from the Church of Scientology International. There are at least 3 things about it that are out-tech.

And the CoS already knows the leaders of anonymous - psychiatrists, psychologists, the German Secret Service, the FBI, the NSA, the KKK, the Nazis, the Communists, the Zionists, the IRS...

(edited by RLSteve to remove OT III terms)


Oh, really. Maybe you want to do a little verification call: 323 960 3500
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:22 pm

guardianofthetubes wrote:
RLSteve wrote:
guardianofthetubes wrote:I don't think this is really a message from the Church of Scientology International


Trust me, it is the Church of Scientology International. I checked the e-mail address.


What was the address?



a verifiable one.
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:24 pm

Grundy wrote:As moderator, I have moved your thread to the "Pro Scientology" forum, shadowing it under threats and harrassment.

If an administrator decides this is incorrect, they will rectify this.

However, your other two copies of the same message have been moved to the vault as redundant. And no shadow has been left in those places. I will be polite as possible about this, as this is NOT an attempt to suppress your message but to force you to conform to board rules.


Thank you.
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:30 pm

By the way, CSI, are you at Int Mgmt on Hollywood Blvd? Or are you at Int Base/Gold?
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:37 pm

RLSteve wrote:By the way, CSI, are you at Int Mgmt on Hollywood Blvd? Or are you at Int Base/Gold?


There is only one CSI, with offices at both locations.
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:48 pm

ChurchOfScientologyInt wrote:There is only one CSI, with offices at both locations.


I understand, but I'm asking about you the individual posting on behalf of CSI. I was just curious what location you were posting from.

By the way, I moved this thread to the General Chatter section, the reason being that your post is not defending Scientology or the Church. General Chatter is also a busier category, so I think more people are likely to see your post in this category than the other categories.
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Post Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:05 am

RLSteve wrote:
ChurchOfScientologyInt wrote:There is only one CSI, with offices at both locations.


I understand, but I'm asking about you the individual posting on behalf of CSI. I was just curious what location you were posting from.


Probarbly both of them, multiple people posting, it's the standard trend for OSA web operations at least, no reason to assume it's any different for Int.
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Post Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:23 am

Re: Message from the Church of Scientology International

ChurchOfScientologyInt wrote:"You have asked why we have taken the time to contact you individually. We want you to understand that there are illegal acts being committed by individuals who say they are part of, or leaders of, Anonymous. The videos we have shared with you are the videos posted by members of Anonymous. They are not our words. The bomb threats, death threats, simulated anthrax attacks, the denial of service attacks, the vandalism at Church facilities and pornographic and racist communications sent daily to our churches are illegal acts of individuals who say they are part of Anonymous. The Church has no way of knowing who committed these acts of violence or who is sending daily threats—all we know is that they say they are part of Anonymous.

We know that certain self-described leaders of Anonymous have made statements denying that the illegal acts are being committed by Anonymous. That is simply untrue. The simulated anthrax attacks came with a manifesto written by Anonymous; a package simulating a bomb was delivered by a man wearing an Anonymous mask—and he said it was from Anonymous; bomb threats called in come from persons who claim to be part of Anonymous; and Anonymous flyers and graffiti are left at sites where vandalism has occurred. The members of Anonymous who commit these illegal acts believe they will not be punished because they cannot be identified. They also do not care if innocent members of Anonymous (who believe they are simply expressing their free speech rights) risk being knowing or unknowing accessories to these criminal acts.

The Church seeks only to eliminate and prevent future criminal activity directed against the Church and its parishioners. That is why we seek to identify Anonymous members and make contact with you. That is why Anonymous members are receiving letters from the Church's attorneys. We want innocent members of Anonymous to know that they are being unwittingly duped by the leaders of Anonymous.

We hope that those of you who are peaceful individuals will understand the scope of the terrorist campaign that has been waged against the Church by Anonymous and that you will renounce that violence and think twice about whether you truly want to be associated with a group that engages in these kinds of activities.

The Church respects the rights of all individuals to speak freely and to worship freely. We ask only the Church and it parishioners be afforded the same respect.


Church of Scientology
International
March 31, 2008"


So what you're saying is, as long as someone is not involved in commiting any of these crimes, they can continue to peacefully protest, correct? Because, the acts of unrelated individuals has no impact of the specific message or points of a person, correct?

Sure. If you can find your criminals, bring them to court, and prove their guilt, go for it. All about that.

Too bad most of us don't care. We still think the Church is bad, and we still will protest its policies. If we haven't committed any crimes, our right to protest remains, and will be continued to be exercised.

The only thing you achieve by bullying people who are trying to express themselves, is to embolden them. If you were interested in peaceful resolution to this matter, all you have to do is confront the issues raised, publicly apologize for the commulative efforts made by your organization to harass, manipulate, ruin, and spy on people. That's called being honest.

Anonymous is a name, a label, a collectivity without direction or leadership. I can denounce Anonymous if I want, and still show up at protests. ANONYMOUS BLOWS! HALF OF ANONYMOUS ARE INTERNET IDIOTS! ANONYMOUS ARE SCUMBAGS! AND TERRORISTS! BOOOOOOOOO! Because, who cares? They don't. I don't. Can you denounce Scientology? Are you allowed to call half of Scientology full of idiots and scumbags? I have no illusions about the internet. But the internet has no illusions of itself, either.
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Post Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:24 am

Re: Message from the Church of Scientology International

BE SURE TO REREAD THIS..... It has been edited for truthiness.


ChurchOfScientologyInt wrote:"You have asked why we have taken the time to contact you individually. We want you to understand that there are illegal acts being committed by individuals who say they are part of, or leaders of, The Church of Scientology International. The videos we have shared with you are the videos posted by members of COS. They are not your words. The bomb threats, death threats, simulated anthrax attacks, the denial of service attacks, the vandalism at church facilities and pornographic and racist communications sent daily to our churches are illegal acts of individuals who say they are part of The Church of Scientology. The Church has no way of knowing who committed these acts of violence or who is sending daily threats—all we know is that they say they are part of The Church of Scientology.

We know that certain self-described leaders of The Church of Scientology have made statements denying that the illegal acts are being committed by The Church of Scientology. That is simply untrue. The simulated anthrax attacks came with a manifesto written by David Miscavige; a package simulating a bomb was delivered by a man wearing an LRH mask—and he said it was from Gold Base; bomb threats called in come from persons who claim to be part of The Church of Scientology; and Way to Happiness flyers and graffiti are left at sites where vandalism has occurred. The members of Church of Scientology who commit these illegal acts believe they will not be punished because they cannot be held accountable because they are in the Sea Org. They also do not care if innocent members of The Church of Scientology(who believe they are simply expressing their freedom of religion rights) risk being knowing or unknowing accessories to these criminal acts.

Anonymous seeks only to eliminate and prevent future criminal activity directed against Anonymous and Ex-Scientology Members. That is why we seek to identify Church of Scientology members and make contact with you. That is why Church of Scientology members are receiving flyers from caring individuals. We want innocent members of COS to know that they are being unwittingly duped by the leaders of COS.

We hope that those of you who are peaceful individuals will understand the scope of the terrorist campaign that has been waged against Anonymous and critics by the Church and that you will renounce that violence and think twice about whether you truly want to be associated with a group that engages in these kinds of activities.

Anonymous respects the rights of all individuals to speak freely and to worship freely. We ask only the Ex-members and it current parishioners be afforded the same respect.


Church of Scientology
International
March 31, 2008"



HAHA! LOL! Isn't that amazing?!
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Post Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:25 am

What kind of creepazoid outfit would do the research to identify anonymous individuals, research their addresses, and then send snail mail to them? Do you understand that your behavior sends up a lot of red flag to most reasonable observers? Do you understand that based on the documented past actions of your organization, you have no moral authority, ESPECIALLY when you are acting in a way that appears extra-legal?

Orthodox Jews often employ a shabbots goy, that is a gentile that will attend to their earthly needs on Sabbath when they are compelled by their religious laws from any unnecessary work.

May I suggest that you employ a shabbots wog to explain to you how people in the world function, and what passes as reasonable down in Clearwater can appear as authoritarian and tin-eared in the real world. It is stunning that you'd think this communication would appear as anything else than silly and infantile bullying by an entity that is unfamiliar with reasonable discourse.
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Post Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:52 am

Wow....

Reading that letter is like getting a message direct from Satan.

I feel dirty....
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Post Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:55 am

WrongplaceRight Time,

Perfect. I was thinking the same thing when I read the original message. You could switch C of S with Anonymous in the original message and it would be a TRUE message at that point!

OSA Person watching this site: WAKE UP and STOP BEING REASONABLE!

Open your eyes. Disconnection happens all the time in Scientology and the Sea Org. My guess is that it has happened to one of your friends or family members too. Odds are this is true. So stop denying it happens.

You know the real truth... It is time to make a stand and leave. You have friends out here who will help you.

Fast, before it is too late and you end up with Heber and Guillaume Leserve and Marc Yager in the "SP Hall".

Be like Mike Rinder and leave for your own good!
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