Trying to Reach Sister in Scient.- to check on her kids

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suezbee

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Post Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:42 pm

Trying to Reach Sister in Scient.- to check on her kids

My sister is BIG TIME level 1000 or something. 20 yrs, worked at SO for a while. I am concerned about her kids, who I never see, I saw this website and read that some scient. kids endure abuse etc... I told her that her religion is ok with me, but possibly her kids might not be as safe as she thinks, and to check out this site. She freaked out. "That's NOT TRUE!", complete denial... that is a lie. She refused tto even consider that her kids might not be ok.
What the hell kinda religion has peoples brains so turned around that they cannot even hear logic, especially concerning the safety of their kids? Or do they just not care about kids at all. From an outsiders perspective, that is what it seems- children are not worth anything, they dont deserve outr time. I am so sorry for all of you, and I want you to know that your Aunts and Ucles care SO MUCH about you and love you.
I am going to make sure my neice and nephew know that I love them and have all these years. They are 16 and 20 now, my neice is married at SO (age 17), and "has a fufilling job". God help her if she wants a baby. Someone help these kids!! :cry:
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Post Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:36 pm

That's exactly right. Even for the sake of knowing what's going on a Scientologists will not venture here. If they do, they aren't very good Scientologists.
I wish you the best in finding your sisters kids. And hope they soo find the truth and get out.
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Post Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:21 am

Well, you could post some info about them hereabouts, maybe one of us knows who and where they are!
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suezbee

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Post Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:09 pm

About my neice and nephew

Can I use names? Their first names or mellisa and aaron, last name starts with a K. I could also use some advise about this. I want to take my nephew out for golf or something. What's the best way to help him? He is like 17, he's learning to drive, I imagine he's about to decide to "work for the church" now, as his sister did. I have hope for him, and always have that he would "see the truth", someday.
Anyways, what should I ask him? Just general stuff I suppose, what do you like, ... Can I ask him what "what is it like to grow up in scientology?"did you ever miss your parents?", what kinds of "work" has he done...
I want to offer him an opportunity to go to college, he can stay at my house for free. I dont know, I really want to help him. Scientology is like a big leach sucking out their brains, thats how i feel. Hey any one who is a teen and wants help, I am just a regular mom. I am willing to help any of you all EMAIL IS suezbee@hotmail.com, for subject put EX.
Good luck to all of you. :cry:
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Post Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:22 pm

Hi suezbee.

I think your nephew (and neice) would be really glad to know that they have somewhere to go and other options. Even if they don't tell you so, or even if they don't realize it right away. Many of us think that our relatives don't care about us at all (because we never hear from them).

Just a word of advice if I may -- don't be harsh or negative toward Scientology with your nephew. Let him set the tone. If he feels like he is being interrogated or that you have a pre-conceived notion of "hating the Church" he'll just shut you out. For a lot of us, even when we leave Scientology with our lives in shambles, cannot bear to hear negative things said about them. It's just so ingrained into us not to even think bad thoughts about them. Plus it's very painful to face the truth that you've been lied to. I think you should go ahead and ask him quesitons and spend time with him, I'm not trying to say not to. Just don't push him too hard or he'll feel attacked and run away.

Even if he isn't at the point where he wants out, that doesn't mean he won't want to go to college. There are kids who do, it's just a bit rare. In going to college he'll get life experience and learn things about the real world that he never would have. I think it's great that you are willing to help him with that.

If his mom and dad are in the Sea Org or on staff, he's probably feeling the fact that they are not there. Having you around to talk to or even just do "normal" things with (like shopping or golfing or whatever regular families do) and spending time with your kids too (and seeing you be "mom" to them) would probably be good for him.

Just my two cents. :)
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Post Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:48 am

Good Job

doubleVee wrote:Hi suezbee.

I think your nephew (and neice) would be really glad to know that they have somewhere to go and other options. Even if they don't tell you so, or even if they don't realize it right away. Many of us think that our relatives don't care about us at all (because we never hear from them).

Just a word of advice if I may -- don't be harsh or negative toward Scientology with your nephew. Let him set the tone. If he feels like he is being interrogated or that you have a pre-conceived notion of "hating the Church" he'll just shut you out. For a lot of us, even when we leave Scientology with our lives in shambles, cannot bear to hear negative things said about them. It's just so ingrained into us not to even think bad thoughts about them. Plus it's very painful to face the truth that you've been lied to. I think you should go ahead and ask him quesitons and spend time with him, I'm not trying to say not to. Just don't push him too hard or he'll feel attacked and run away.

Even if he isn't at the point where he wants out, that doesn't mean he won't want to go to college. There are kids who do, it's just a bit rare. In going to college he'll get life experience and learn things about the real world that he never would have. I think it's great that you are willing to help him with that.

If his mom and dad are in the Sea Org or on staff, he's probably feeling the fact that they are not there. Having you around to talk to or even just do "normal" things with (like shopping or golfing or whatever regular families do) and spending time with your kids too (and seeing you be "mom" to them) would probably be good for him.

Just my two cents. :)


I think it is AMAZING how you keep 're-iterating' what NOT to do.

Don't ATTACK CoS

They won't hear you!!!!

That is the first thing I wanted to do!

Let them set the tone...

Etc.

We should have MORE topics and keep expanding and brainstorming ways and finding / developing the most effective plans that work and posting them, or making one website for getting out of CoS...

When I do my searches for helping loves ones, the information is slim to none. This is very necessary.
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Post Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:47 pm

Re: Good Job

bosshog wrote:I think it is AMAZING how you keep 're-iterating' what NOT to do.


Um, no offense, but didn't you just post that you are not a Scientologist or an ex-Scientologist?
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Post Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:15 pm

Re: Good Job

bosshog wrote:I think it is AMAZING how you keep 're-iterating' what NOT to do.


Ah yes, was going to deal with this earlier but forget and lost the thread.

I've never been a scientologist either, but unlike you I have done something that is called reading and absorbing information, otherwise knowns as lurking.

The reason for stating what NOT to do, is because those things listed are what people would immediately jump to the conclusion that this would be the correct thing to do. How do you best get someone out of a bad decision? Most people would say that it would be to tell what bad a decision it was. However, the truth is that for most cases, and particularly this one, it's counter intuitive because the persons mindset is locked in there can be no wrong with my decision.

The best thing to do is to simply be there, and let them know that there is a better life to be lived when reverting their decision by living that better life.
The most important thing to learn about Life, the Universe, and Everything, is firstly; the answer is 42, and secondly; how utterly ridiculous it truly is

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