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Tru2form

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Post Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:07 am

paeata wrote:As I said. you can do something about anything. All you have to do is do it. I think that all religions have their problem areas. I also think that Scientology has its own very effective ways of remedying any issues from within. I am not here to defend Scientology but to identify that you cannot judge something you know nothing about. That's what happened in Germany. Any fascist/ Marxian racist thinking is wrong, even that which tries to suppress Scientology, having judged it out of hand, just as it tried to suppress all of those other beliefs of the past whether they be Catholic, Jew Muslim etc. We are no better than Nazis if we think our opinion should prevail over others and act out our aggression towards any established institution without first researching it. It all began in writing. First we "burn' words, then we burn people. That's history. That's our lesson.


Well, true, hun, except that most people here have been in Scientology, most times for many years. So...

Research, check!

Also, there's personal opinion and religious differences, and then there's protesting a group that is abusive and breaking the law. Read the site, read the stories, and let us know.

In the meantime, welcome to ESK! We look forward to your opinion. Don't forget to read the forum rules before you post.

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Post Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:18 am

paeata wrote:As I said. you can do something about anything. All you have to do is do it. I think that all religions have their problem areas. I also think that Scientology has its own very effective ways of remedying any issues from within. I am not here to defend Scientology but to identify that you cannot judge something you know nothing about. That's what happened in Germany. Any fascist/ Marxian racist thinking is wrong, even that which tries to suppress Scientology, having judged it out of hand, just as it tried to suppress all of those other beliefs of the past whether they be Catholic, Jew Muslim etc. We are no better than Nazis if we think our opinion should prevail over others and act out our aggression towards any established institution without first researching it. It all began in writing. First we "burn' words, then we burn people. That's history. That's our lesson.


The Co$ hurts people. That in itself is enough to warrant criticism and investigation. I think personal rights forgo those of a corporation.
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Post Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:48 pm

paeata wrote:As I said. you can do something about anything. All you have to do is do it.


True. This entire website is "doing something about it".

I think that all religions have their problem areas.


Also true, but few currently have as many widespread, ongoing, institutionalized problems as CofS.

I also think that Scientology has its own very effective ways of remedying any issues from within.


CofS as a group is only effective at remedying what it wants to remedy, which seems to pretty much be what David Miscavige (via what he chooses to push of Hubbard's) says it should. In the meantime, staff have been impoverished and without benefits for decades -- and all the while millions go uplines unaccounted for.

A few other "institutionalized" and unchanging destructive behaviors are enforced disconnection, Severe Reality Adjustments, overboarding and its localized offshoots such as spraying down with a hose or throwing into the pond at Int base.

They don't change because instead of attempting to change them, they are justified and defended - and even publicly lied about.

Any fascist/ Marxian racist thinking is wrong, even that which tries to suppress Scientology,


No one treats Scientologists worse than other Scientologists. No one. Never at any other place or group I've been a part of have people screamed at, threatened and coerced their own fellows and paid as little attention to their needs as in CofS. A bunch of kids peacefully protesting is absolutely nothing in comparison.

I am not here to defend Scientology but to identify that you cannot judge something you know nothing about.


Many, if not most, of us here do know quite a bit about it, this being a site primarily for those who grew up in it.

That's our lesson.


Another lesson is that a group which is destructive when it is small will only do more damage when it is bigger so it has to has to be curtailed before it can hurt even more people.
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Post Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:07 pm

everfree wrote:
paeata wrote:As I said. you can do something about anything. All you have to do is do it.


True. This entire website is "doing something about it".

I think that all religions have their problem areas.


Also true, but few currently have as many widespread, ongoing, institutionalized problems as CofS.

I also think that Scientology has its own very effective ways of remedying any issues from within.


CofS as a group is only effective at remedying what it wants to remedy, which seems to pretty much be what David Miscavige (via what he chooses to push of Hubbard's) says it should. In the meantime, staff have been impoverished and without benefits for decades -- and all the while millions go uplines unaccounted for.

A few other "institutionalized" and unchanging destructive behaviors are enforced disconnection, Severe Reality Adjustments, overboarding and its localized offshoots such as spraying down with a hose or throwing into the pond at Int base.

They don't change because instead of attempting to change them, they are justified and defended - and even publicly lied about.

Any fascist/ Marxian racist thinking is wrong, even that which tries to suppress Scientology,


No one treats Scientologists worse than other Scientologists. No one. Never at any other place or group I've been a part of have people screamed at, threatened and coerced their own fellows and paid as little attention to their needs as in CofS. A bunch of kids peacefully protesting is absolutely nothing in comparison.

I am not here to defend Scientology but to identify that you cannot judge something you know nothing about.


Many, if not most, of us here do know quite a bit about it, this being a site primarily for those who grew up in it.

That's our lesson.


Another lesson is that a group which is destructive when it is small will only do more damage when it is bigger so it has to has to be curtailed before it can hurt even more people.


Great post.
The problem really isn't Scientology itself. It's the organization that runs Scientology. It's the Sea Org and they are brutal and uncaring of individuals needs.
The entire time I was working there I went to the doctor 2 times. Once because I had an infection and they had no choice and the other was for a blood test so I could get married.
The church has millions of dollars and because the staff are so dedicated, they don't need to take very good care of them.
"Everybody has a right to believe what they want to believe. But I don't believe that anybody has a right to trick anybody, to hurt anybody, to harm some body, for their own purposes." - Jason Beghe
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Post Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:22 pm

Scientology makes me think of Heinlein's "Fosterite" religion from "Stranger In A Strange Land".

I can't help it. It just seems awfully creepy to me.
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He slept with a mermaid one fine night
Out of that union, there came three...
A porpoise and a porgy and the other was ME!
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Post Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:03 am

Well you are really brave, righteous and noble woman (couple), you and Dallas to risk yourselves for the sake of 1. the truth, 2. forewarning others before they get involved, and 3. making Co$ known for the cult that it is.
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Post Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:18 am

Yeap, I know Angie B and J. Devocht too. You must be a celeb to pull them in :D . I only had OSA following me :oops: , but they gave up on me.
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Post Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:14 am

Well Jenna is a celeb if you think of it this way, she is the niece of David Miscavige.
just when you thought it's all wrong it proved otherwise
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