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paeata

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Post Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:47 am

Recent Encounter.

I was recently at a drug facility in Auckland. (Not for myself). I mentioned scientology and low and behold there was a person right next to me who asked if I was a scientologit. The answer was "was". However, where I was on seaog in 1967, he was on seaorg and a senior officer, from 72 to 82ish. So I was very pan LRon and he was the beginning of new things. New Ships (we only had the Scotsman), new missions, (though he did remember the hilarious mission books fiasco which we were entangled). He also explained a Seaorg I could not relate to, activities I had never heard of and what he felt to be a rampant paranoia in 1982 in weeding out the "rubbish". He felt that really good foundation officers were lost there. Can anyone enlighten me?
Well my philosophy is that if you have weeds you generally have plants. It's just a matter of percentage. So I made more enquiries. Scientology as I knew seems to have disappeared, and I am hoping what you are describing has not arrived in its place. The emeter is prettier but the same machine as used then. Where's technological advance here. I know someone who has improves enormously on it. Does some of the problem lie here? :wink:
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Post Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:56 am

He's talking about the mission holders ordeal...looking for you...
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Post Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:57 am

"Everybody has a right to believe what they want to believe. But I don't believe that anybody has a right to trick anybody, to hurt anybody, to harm some body, for their own purposes." - Jason Beghe
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paeata

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Post Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:18 pm

Thank you for that reply to my post. I have read all of that material on the link you posted with deep interest. I would like to comment even if 30 years on. I liked what Lesevre said, and I liked the very last comment by Miscavige following through Lesevre. Is the guy that is mentioned the husband of the head of MIB? Mission International books failed for reasons that were obvious to all of us but I for one was too scared to say anything. It was really puzzling as we were touting LRon books (Dianetics originals) I have always thought that if you stay with what Lron put in place and wrote, then everything starts to roll along. I was most interested to see David Mayo's name as I was audited by him when declared PTS. I was totally ok'd. I then left Saint Hill and came back home. I should also correct one thing. SeaOrg was brand new when I was there, I should have said 68 was the year. We embarked in Spain.
We had considerable freedom in ways that seem to have changed (eg getting permission to speak). Even so I was overwhelmed as the ship was in "danger" before we arrived so protocols were really strict to let us on, having travelled half was around the world to do it.

What's squirrelling. I keep getting a picture of the squirrels at Saint Hill which was really new then in 68. You coudn't get them out of the trees. They were amazing.

one more comment. ALL of the complaints seem to be about behaviour and none of them about the tech. The tech does sell itself. The rest is fuss. Well, that's how I see it and why I have never shifted my position in regard to taing responsibility for your own aaactions. Let the rest float by as it works on that basis.

I know that the technology that came with dianetics works. It's interference that doesn't and that seeems to be what everyone on this
site is objuecting to.
Thanks
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Post Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:20 pm

"squirrelling" is altering/extending LRH tech or doing anything that is not 100% standard tech as per KSW (Keeping Scientology Working policy which is placed at the start of every coursebook).

KSW Text: http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.ph ... 8&Itemid=9

I don't know if this idea of "standard tech" existed back in your day, or to what extent auditors where "allowed" to do things their own way. The Golden Age of Tech created a whole new series of drills for learning things by rote to ensure 100% standard tech.

And ironically, the recent Golden Age of Knowledge has resulted in RTC "cleaning up" (squirrelling?) all of LRHs works and republishing them in a big fanfare (DM called it the most important event in scientology history).
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Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:49 am

paeata wrote:Thank you for that reply to my post. I have read all of that material on the link you posted with deep interest. I would like to comment even if 30 years on. I liked what Lesevre said, and I liked the very last comment by Miscavige following through Lesevre. Is the guy that is mentioned the husband of the head of MIB? Mission International books failed for reasons that were obvious to all of us but I for one was too scared to say anything. It was really puzzling as we were touting LRon books (Dianetics originals) I have always thought that if you stay with what Lron put in place and wrote, then everything starts to roll along. I was most interested to see David Mayo's name as I was audited by him when declared PTS. I was totally ok'd. I then left Saint Hill and came back home. I should also correct one thing. SeaOrg was brand new when I was there, I should have said 68 was the year. We embarked in Spain.
We had considerable freedom in ways that seem to have changed (eg getting permission to speak). Even so I was overwhelmed as the ship was in "danger" before we arrived so protocols were really strict to let us on, having travelled half was around the world to do it.

What's squirrelling. I keep getting a picture of the squirrels at Saint Hill which was really new then in 68. You coudn't get them out of the trees. They were amazing.

one more comment. ALL of the complaints seem to be about behaviour and none of them about the tech. The tech does sell itself. The rest is fuss. Well, that's how I see it and why I have never shifted my position in regard to taing responsibility for your own aaactions. Let the rest float by as it works on that basis.

I know that the technology that came with dianetics works. It's interference that doesn't and that seeems to be what everyone on this
site is objuecting to.
Thanks


There are many problems with the tech but I agree that Hubbard had something going with dianetics.
It's when he expanded it and went to Scientology that things got really weird.
He should have stuck with Dianetics.
Many exScientologists think he got more and more wacked as the years went by. Which makes perfect sense.
"Everybody has a right to believe what they want to believe. But I don't believe that anybody has a right to trick anybody, to hurt anybody, to harm some body, for their own purposes." - Jason Beghe
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paeata

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Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:52 am

There is no doubt that in NZ the delivery was clean. You got the goods. A huge reliance on LRon's writings and techniques. Total reliance on reading to bring you in then auditing only.

I did get to edit tapes that were 1st generation of the masters at Saint Hill in 68/69 and I wasn't even clear at the time. These were serious senior level material and I was editing them. I developed a sort of sense that enabled me to forget what I heard. Otherwise I suspect they would have cooked me. But edit them!!!!!!!!!!!!!I don't imagine that would happen today.

You said "There are many problems with the tech but I agree that Hubbard had something going with dianetics. It's when he expanded it and went to Scientology that things got really weird.
He should have stuck with Dianetics."

In 68 hen I was aboard the ship later called - or was it then -Scotsman, Mary Sue semed also to be keeping it really clean. She pulledup someone who was sharp with me.

Anyway......... There was also a lot of speculation as to why LRon, who was on the ship at the time was not being much heard from. (What ever happen to Mary Sue). LRon had to build his castle under englsih feudal law to feel the Organisation was safe in England. It was still under construction when i was there. Parts of Aussie were oflimits and declared suppressive.

"Many exScientologists think he got more and more wacked as the years went by. Which makes perfect sense"

He was a genuis. We must have seemed idiots to him. He was sort of getting out of reach when we were in Spain.
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paeata

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Post Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:31 am

[quote="Iknowtoomuch"]He's talking about the mission holders ordeal...looking for you...[/quote]

They've found my ex but apparently only looking for him to come back to basic stuff. They are making about 6 calls per day to his no. He doesn't apparently mind but as he said he doesn't need basic in it's new format. He had it in Ron own words. How do you see that statement?

I have no intention of coming out of any woodwork and slapped with a penaly for somthing I was cleared of a hundred years ago by David Mayo. I supose h's also had a hard time? If he's still in the organisation he a goody. A really good guy. I don't owe Scientology More like they owe me for balsing up our clean agenda!!!!!!!!

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