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I ran across this by Ray Kemp From: Patricia Krenik

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I ran across this by Ray Kemp
Posted by: "Patricia Krenik" p_krenik@hotmail.com p_krenik
Mon Mar 2, 2009 2:18 pm (PST)
Ray Kemp was well known in the early days of Scientology. He and
his wife Pam had a mission in Orange County, CA.

This is what he said:

From International Viewpoints (IVy) Issue 6 - May 1992

Kemp's Column
By Raymond Kemp, USA

Granting Of Beingness

Possibly, the most serious complaint about Ron, by those who worked
with him is a variation of the complaint "He took all the Praise,
and
never acknowledged anyone else's help"

That there is some validity in this I will grant from personal
experience, since I was the author of the O.C.A., I wrote
the "Naming
and Recognition Ceremony" for "Ceremonies Handbook", I pioneered the
Mentally Handicapped Children's project and the British Olympics
team
coaching, along with my wife Pamela, who in turn developed and wrote
the Original Drug Rundown, all of which have appeared in Scn
publications under the authorship of L. Ron Hubbard.

Yet, at the same time, I still have the original document of
agreement
giving me the right to publish certain books by LRH, and to use the
"Consultants to Industrial Efficiency" appellation. When my son was
born, Ron was the first visitor to Pam, presenting her with a
beautiful Shawl, saying that "A new Mother deserves a Gift, though
most people bring a gift only for the Child".

When the activities of the 'Gang of Nine' were at their height with
respect to myself, and Ron's orders were being ignored, Pam and I
got
a letter from Ron personally, saying in part, "You will probably
never
know how grateful I am for your Help and contribution".

When my mother was dying of Cancer, Ron was in London and spent
many
hours auditing her, arriving quietly, late at night, after the work
of
the Organization was over, and it was he who sent me a cable
informing
me of what was happening and advising me to return from USA, when he
found out that I had no knowledge of what was happening.

It was Ron who, three months after my mothers death, when Pam and I
first married, paid the air fare for us to go on a honeymoon, saying
"You had to return to this country under stress, so I want you to
leave again and make a new beginning and return under your own
determinism"

Is this consistent with the complaints by others that "he never
granted beingness to others"? I don't think so.
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Post Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:53 pm

He granted beingness to Tory Christman too, if I recall her story correctly. The Sea Org tried to take her off her meds, LRH drafted orders stating they were wrong, expressed his confidence in Tory, and said he would "see her up the lines". Of course, Tory later got off her meds again, went nuts, and left the CoS. Personally, I think that was for the best. She didn't belong inside. We can't say LRH didn't support her in the right way, though. He did not condemn Tory, and defied the negative stereotype of himself and his church. Would that more Scientologists could pay attention and follow his lead.
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Post Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:56 pm

DRE wrote:He granted beingness to Tory Christman too, if I recall her story correctly. The Sea Org tried to take her off her meds, LRH drafted orders stating they were wrong, expressed his confidence in Tory, and said he would "see her up the lines". Of course, Tory later got off her meds again, went nuts, and left the CoS. Personally, I think that was for the best. She didn't belong inside. We can't say LRH didn't support her in the right way, though. He did not condemn Tory, and defied the negative stereotype of himself and his church. Would that more Scientologists could pay attention and follow his lead.



Got off her meds and went nuts?

Keep Tory's name out of your mouth
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Post Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:56 am

Sorry, I didn't know how best to phrase it. She's a difficult person to talk about. I guess we still both need to gain appreciation for viewpoints not our own. Ah well.
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Post Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:31 pm

Her meds were not for a mental condition, or to be pricise, a psychological mental condition. They were for seizures, she's an epilleptic I think, or a similarly based condition. But since the seizures are based on brain activity, the drugs to cure them are mind altering as per Hubbards teachings.
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Post Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:22 pm

But he said she could stay on them. It was in her story. Check it out, then get back to me if you still disagree.
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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:43 pm

That was a wonderful story, if today that would be the same sit .....

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