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Post Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:47 am

lol

lol some of you might remember my post complaining about getting my address out their system

anyway, i get like 5 emails a day from them so ive been trying to stop that as well, and ive had to unsubscribe, no joke, like 20 times so far, and im still getting emails eveyr day. why even have the unsubscribe feature if youre not going to unsubscribe the person?

anyway, yeah. i thought that was funny.

two questions though. anyone here not like scientology but also dislike psychiatry? i think psychiatry is pretty fucked up and scary. i really dont believe in it. i hate psychs.

and 2, does the church track ip addresses from people who post here? i dont want to get in "trouble" for complaining about not being able to get off their mailing lists.

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Post Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:26 pm

In most cases an unsubscribe feature is in fact a disguised way of checking if an e-mail adress is still valid or not.
Best would be to just add them to your spam list.
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Post Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:55 pm

From everything I have read, Hubbard hated psychiatry because they were the first ones to release a statement when Dianetics came out, that dianetics was not scientifically proven and couldn't cure disease and other things it claimed to do. (Please don't let this cloud your judgment if you ever need any kind of help, therapists and psychologists let you talk and help you explore your feelings-they don't prescribe meds)

If you are afraid because of things you learned in scientology, please be aware that those things were written in the 50's and were blown way out of proportion even for then.(Well, on second thought I should explain, I'm sure these things did happen and I don't wanna sound like they didn't happen. It was a horrible time to have a mental illness. People didn't understand, we still don't know everything. Medicine has come a long way but it still has a ways to go.)

Unless you are severely mentally ill, with no one to take care of you, and you can't take care of yourself, and are threatening suicide you can't even get into a psychiatric wing if you want to. When I hear scientologies party lines about being locked in psych wards and given ECT against their will or lobotomies it makes me wanna scream!!! It ain't gonna happen. If you have any understanding of insurance/medicaid/medicare you will understand why. There is no money in it for the hospitals, which is a pretty sad state of our health care system, but don't get me started on that!!

The worst I have seen of psychiatrists is that they get caught up in the insurance game or just burnt out. They have patients that need more help than they can give but there's nothing they can do. No beds, patients don't show up for appts., don't take meds as prescribed, etc etc.

I'm sure there are bad people in the profession, same as all professions, but mostly they became doctors to help people. And they took an oath to first do no harm, that's more than scientologists do when they go messing with people's minds.

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Post Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:08 am

lol, that's not why he didnt like psychiatry. i dont know how you can even say that. he didnt like it because it is a damaging industry. those drugs really mess people up more. and ECT still goes on today, a lot.

and um what? took an oath to do no harm? there are so many reports of psych abuse, its crazy. and uh no that isnt more than what scientologists do, and they dont mess with peoples minds. if you had bad auditing or something, that sucks, but auditing has helped a lot of people and i dont see how its messed anyone up.
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Post Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:47 pm

fuji_fruit wrote:
lol, that's not why he didnt like psychiatry. i dont know how you can even say that. he didnt like it because it is a damaging industry. those drugs really mess people up more. and ECT still goes on today, a lot.

and um what? took an oath to do no harm? there are so many reports of psych abuse, its crazy. and uh no that isnt more than what scientologists do, and they dont mess with peoples minds. if you had bad auditing or something, that sucks, but auditing has helped a lot of people and i dont see how its messed anyone up.


Yes, that coupled with the fact that a psychiatrist denied hubbard free treatment is what caused him to hate psychiatry.
Sorry but these are the proven facts, keep in mind that EVERYTHING scientology told you about this is a blatant lie.

Yes, people in the medical profession DO take an oath to do no harm, it is called the hypocratic oath, named after Hypocrates who was the first to practice medicine in a scientific way.
Sometimes it does not work out, sometimes people die on an operating table for example.

Psychiatry is really not a damaging industry, the drugs are a great help to many people.
Chemical imbalances are a proven scientific fact (officially it's a theory but in scientific terms theory is as close as you will ever get to "fact", scientific theory does not have the same meaning as the word theory in general use).
Unfortunatly, like in any field, the are incompetent people to be found in it that may mis diagnose and prescribe the wrong drugs as a result.
This can in fact have devestating results for the mis diagnosed person.
These are extremely rare cases, they seem to be numerous simply because the media will only report about misshaps or miracle cures.
The millions of people that are helped through their everyday life thanks to psychiatry aren't reported on, good news doesn't sell.

and uh no that isnt more than what scientologists do, and they dont mess with peoples minds. if you had bad auditing or something, that sucks, but auditing has helped a lot of people and i dont see how its messed anyone up.

And uh, yes, $cientology DOES mess with peoples mind, to the point that they commit suicide, lose all selfcontrol, disconnect from their families, murder in the name of scientology etc.
Scientology auditing is an evil destructive form of mind control.
It is designed to initiate psychotic breakdown on the persona level resulting in a " blank slate" that can be re-programmed into a ronbot.

I'll give you an example how auditing messed someone up.
Her name was Lisa McPherson.
Auditing resulted in her having a psychotic episode.
After she crashed her car doctors recognised the fact that she was having a total psychotic breakdown.
As you well know some scientologists then came to pick her up "for rest and relaxation".
In reality they submitted her to the Introspection Rundown, the scientology method to "cure" a breakdown.
It KILLED her!

Now please, safe yourself, educate yourself on how the real world works.
Everything scientology has ever told you was a lie.
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Post Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:24 pm

lmap you are fucking insane, sorry.

you will talk about how all theh good spsychiatry has done isnt reported because good news doesnt sell yet you dont talk about all the good scientology has done

no, that WASNT why he hated psychiatry. dont just imagine shit and say its real. psychiatry is DAMAGING. there is no chemcial imbalance. and no, psychiatry has done a shit load od damage. dont fucking believe me? go read all those doctor review websites for psychiatrists, theyre 90% bad reviews.

its so fucking ridiculous that you have a handful of scientology bad cases and you blow it up to be like some horrible epidemic, and then you have 100,000 people dying in psych hospitals a year and you act like psychiatry is so great and they rarely have slip ups. so fucking pathetic

dont even bother writing back, idont care. youre wrong and you insane.
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Post Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:45 pm

Can you show me a single case where Dianetics or Scientology cured someone of psychosis?
Is it possible some people have been driven insain with the help of auditing?
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Post Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:36 pm

what the hell are you talking about?

its pretty amazing if youre capable of lying to yourself and ignoring all the stuff people ahve said about how auditing has helped them and done them good. its amazing you can just write that off as "insane talk" or whatever.

auditing is amazing. if you dont like the way the church acts, the fair game, the money issue, the disconnection, whatever thats fine, i understand and i agree, but its really annoying when people start saying it doesnt work and its hypnotism and brainwashing and blah blah blah. its not, it does work and its helped me a lot and a tno of other people. i know you guys have a hate on for scientology but have some integrity.
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I'm sorry but in my personal experience, I've not seen scientology or dianetics help. I know people who believe they've been helped when indeed they haven't. I've only seen it make things worse. This is my personal experience For those of you who believe in it and believe it has helped you, great. For those who have a different view, we are entitled to our experience and views of that experience, and our belief in the integrity of science.
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Post Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:31 pm

lmao wow f*ck you

thats not for you to say. if someone says its helped them, it has. how the f*ck would you know. you wouldnt. they would know more than you. so shut up.

scientology works, deal with it.
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Post Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:41 pm

:lol: I love you, too.

No, you.

One thing, I think debate and discussion are good...........cussing someone out kind of nullifies you. If you can't articulate something with some grace and respect then people aren't going to listen.
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Post Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:12 pm

Is fuji an ex or a current?

Does it matter? Not really.

But if a current, he/she should just say it like it is.
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Post Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:16 pm

fuji_fruit wrote:what the hell are you talking about?

its pretty amazing if youre capable of lying to yourself and ignoring all the stuff people ahve said about how auditing has helped them and done them good. its amazing you can just write that off as "insane talk" or whatever.

auditing is amazing. if you dont like the way the church acts, the fair game, the money issue, the disconnection, whatever thats fine, i understand and i agree, but its really annoying when people start saying it doesnt work and its hypnotism and brainwashing and blah blah blah. its not, it does work and its helped me a lot and a tno of other people. i know you guys have a hate on for scientology but have some integrity.


I didn't think you'd be able to answer that question. Go on looking like a fool. All you're doing is throwing stones. Calm down and stop looking like a butt hurt Scientologist.
You're getting so bent out of shape, I'm starting to think this is an act and that you agree with us. :lol:
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I'm sorry but in my personal experience, I've not seen scientology or dianetics help. I know people who believe they've been helped when indeed they haven't. I've only seen it make things worse. This is my personal experience For those of you who believe in it and believe it has helped you, great. For those who have a different view, we are entitled to our experience and views of that experience, and our belief in the integrity of science.





$cientology tries very hard to convince people that they are being helped. This is utter rubbish. If people(scientologists) want to believe they have been helped. Good for them, but the bottom line is, the only thing that helps people is themselves. Following some party line that was made LAW in $cientology by LRH in the 50s and 60s is following a cultish thinking.LRH was a con man. He only thought of himself. Whatever traumas he suffered in his own life, he used to manipulate and justify his acts to inflict pain and trauma on ALL his adherents.

He wanted only to make money and to gain fame, fame which he was struggling to achieve as a science fiction writer.

He may have fooled some for some of the time but he didn't fool everyone forever. Too many people were extremely hurt both physically and especially mentally. I would go as far to say that as a whole $cientology and this is from all the writings I have read of people who have been a part of $cientology, all the people I have spoken to at protests, all the accounts of exscientologists that $cientology actually causes mental illness. Auditing be damned.

I only need to look at my own Father, who on the Apollo in 1968 was a normal completely sane man and who after being expelled, fair gamed, deprived of his young daughter, who had recieved 200+ hours of auditing was NEVER the same again, and some 40 years later NEVER recovered.

Lisa McPherson died whilst having a psychotic break, under the care of $cientology, she died in the most horrific circumstances. There are many more people who have either committed suicide or who have died under suspicious circumstances. Then there are ALL the people who have left but their lives are haunted by trauma, these are many.There are people who are having therapy years after leaving $cientology because their lives and minds are SO fucked up. I have spoken to some of these people on the street.

As far as I am concerned $cientology auditing is a SHAM, I don't care who the hell it was stolen from. I don't care IF the Freezone think it has some merit. I think it is ALL baloney and anyone who wishes to follow the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard would do well to go to Lermanet.com and see for themselves that it is all an illusion.

Maybe I'm a NUT, who knows? But this IS what I think and believe and I base this on personal experience as a Commadores Messenger on the Apollo in the 60s.For ALL YOU Hubbardites who weren't there L.Ron Hubbard was a complete madman. He had to have been to have gotten away with ALL the atrocities he did.

I would like very much for him to "come back" and be put on trial for ALL the abuse he caused to so many people.
the man who"wanted" to rule the world was a science fiction writer, who lived out his fantasies in real life.Some body some day will say this is illegal. It won't come soon enough.

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Post Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:32 am

Well, folks, I should post a general warning about board rules.

Also, I have edited all the of posts on this thread to only contain quotes if the post immediately preceding was not the one being replied to. I will not allow a possible (and I am only saying possible) troll to clutter up the thread and make the thread soooooo long with quotes of previous posts that it can't be easily read.

This was a common tactic on A.R.S. by OSA trying to make threads unreadable.

There was no violation of board rules in doing it per se, but I have used admnistrative judgement in doing so. If you don't like it, take it up with Kendra - she is the one who can admonish me for taking liberties.

Quotes from other threads, or posts not immediadely previous to the post you are making would not receive my attention like this. And even one or two quotes from an immediately previous posts would be no big deal. As I said, administrative judgement here.

That being said: The parts of the rules I am referring to are:

(Notice the quote comes from a different thread?)

Tru2form wrote:2) No personal insults or attacks on members of our community. If you have a problem with someone, PM them directly. If you have a problem with the moderators or admins, or the way the board is run, PM them directly.

Similarly, there will be NO character assassinations of Scientology critics on this board. Scientology does this enough as it is.

Everyone has a past. So do you. We're not interested in admining a bunch of "the pot calling the kettle black" debates.

3) Don't be a douchebag. Also, don't be a douchebag.

You're welcome to express your own opinions, however negative or positive, pro or con. The topic of growing up in Scientology is a very emotional one for most people, and we expect there will be a little flaming here and there. Don't overdo it. If you're overdoing it, you're being a douchebag.

If you're harassing people on the forums with the intent to cause disruption or anger, you're being a douchebag.

If you're posting personal insults, or preaching at people, or being nasty and reactionary because you disagree, you're being a douchebag.

If you're verbally attacking Scientology kids that come here with honest questions, you're being a douchebag.

If you're a Scientology kid, and you're telling people that their negative experiences "never happened" because you don't think it's possible, you're being a douchebag.

If you're here for no other purpose than to accuse anti-Scientologists of being big huge "criminals" because they disagree with you, you're a douchebag.

If you're going all-out with the psycho-trolling, you're being a douchebag.

Douchebags will be banned.


A note on trolling:
There several other Scientology-related forums that put up with severe trolling in the interests of free speech. While we're all about free speech here, these forums are meant to be a safer space to talk, with minimal harassment. That doesn't mean you have to be all nicey-nicey all the time, but anyone posting a slew of flames, nonsensical links, spam, or frequent insults will be banned. If you feel the need to babble insanity at someone, go to another forum. It won't be tolerated here.

People who break these rules a manner that is obviously malicious and calculated will be banned without prior notice. If we're not sure of your intentions, we'll give you a few warnings first.
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Post Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:29 am

wow, just wow
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Post Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:01 am

fitch2000 wrote:wow, just wow


what
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Grundy wrote:Well, folks, I should post a general warning about board rules.

Also, I have edited all the of posts on this thread to only contain quotes if the post immediately preceding was not the one being replied to. I will not allow a possible (and I am only saying possible) troll to clutter up the thread and make the thread soooooo long with quotes of previous posts that it can't be easily read.

This was a common tactic on A.R.S. by OSA trying to make threads unreadable.

There was no violation of board rules in doing it per se, but I have used admnistrative judgement in doing so. If you don't like it, take it up with Kendra - she is the one who can admonish me for taking liberties.

Quotes from other threads, or posts not immediadely previous to the post you are making would not receive my attention like this. And even one or two quotes from an immediately previous posts would be no big deal. As I said, administrative judgement here.

That being said: The parts of the rules I am referring to are:

(Notice the quote comes from a different thread?)

Tru2form wrote:2) No personal insults or attacks on members of our community. If you have a problem with someone, PM them directly. If you have a problem with the moderators or admins, or the way the board is run, PM them directly.

Similarly, there will be NO character assassinations of Scientology critics on this board. Scientology does this enough as it is.

Everyone has a past. So do you. We're not interested in admining a bunch of "the pot calling the kettle black" debates.

3) Don't be a douchebag. Also, don't be a douchebag.

You're welcome to express your own opinions, however negative or positive, pro or con. The topic of growing up in Scientology is a very emotional one for most people, and we expect there will be a little flaming here and there. Don't overdo it. If you're overdoing it, you're being a douchebag.

If you're harassing people on the forums with the intent to cause disruption or anger, you're being a douchebag.

If you're posting personal insults, or preaching at people, or being nasty and reactionary because you disagree, you're being a douchebag.

If you're verbally attacking Scientology kids that come here with honest questions, you're being a douchebag.

If you're a Scientology kid, and you're telling people that their negative experiences "never happened" because you don't think it's possible, you're being a douchebag.

If you're here for no other purpose than to accuse anti-Scientologists of being big huge "criminals" because they disagree with you, you're a douchebag.

If you're going all-out with the psycho-trolling, you're being a douchebag.

Douchebags will be banned.


A note on trolling:
There several other Scientology-related forums that put up with severe trolling in the interests of free speech. While we're all about free speech here, these forums are meant to be a safer space to talk, with minimal harassment. That doesn't mean you have to be all nicey-nicey all the time, but anyone posting a slew of flames, nonsensical links, spam, or frequent insults will be banned. If you feel the need to babble insanity at someone, go to another forum. It won't be tolerated here.

People who break these rules a manner that is obviously malicious and calculated will be banned without prior notice. If we're not sure of your intentions, we'll give you a few warnings first.


WHAT are you talking about? did i miss something? are you referring to me as the OSA troll? what are you talking about
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fuji_fruit wrote:WHAT are you talking about? did i miss something? are you referring to me as the OSA troll? what are you talking about


He's talking about you being a useless bugger incapable of both debating and proper quoting.

The simple truth is; The science of psychology and its medical uses (i.e. psychiatry) has done more good for people than scientology ever has and ever will. Yes, there are useless asshats who should never have been given a psychatric license, but then again there are priests in charge of choir boys who molest them. (And don't start some bull about those two not being comparable, they are both about people who shouldn't be given the "power" they've recieved.) And generally any psychiatrist worth his/her diploma will tell you that these drugs are to be used alongside counscelling to remove the problem rather than just patch it up. There are, however, some cases where it's not an emotional problem, but an actual medical condition, and let me warn you now; You do NOT want to start a debate on that with me I can guarantee a loss on your part.
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Post Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:05 pm

Basically 2 things:

1) The quoting of every previous post just to make it way long borders on being douchebag like.

2) As Kendra said originally:

If you're harassing people on the forums with the intent to cause disruption or anger, you're being a douchebag.

If you're posting personal insults, or preaching at people, or being nasty and reactionary because you disagree, you're being a douchebag.

Orderous .. your comment also was a bit .. er .. well ...

But, as I let it go for fuji here once, I will let it go this time as well.

But Fuji, yes, you come off as a possible troll.

I don't care if you voice your opinions, but attacking other because they don't agree with you .. well, I refer you to the board rules.
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