For new people regarding Dre

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Anonymous9104

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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:54 pm

For new people regarding Dre

Iknowtoomuch wrote:I made quite a long post but deleted it because i see it's pointless for you.
You're like talking to a Scientologist. You're in complete denial.
Your opinions aren't even opinions they are distortions of the truth. Twisted so you can justify Scientology and Hubbard.
As long as their are people supporting the current church, they are not "good" Scientologists. Period.

iknowtoomuch... i don't know who you are... i know i've read some of your posts that we disagree on... but in this situation, in all your responses to Dre, I find you to be civil but truthful, which I seem to only (in my humble opinion), conquer the truthful part, of course truth is relative to a point, but not the examples provided by Dre, which are as you say, distorted. I feel Dre has so much time on his hands, and so much... mental issues... that he is running the board almost, replying to everything and new people who come here are going to get a misunderstanding of the point, and he will appear to represent the majority. I find it difficult to read his posts, which is even worse, in my humble opinion, than even his so called 'fanfiction'.... it is unbearable, ingratiating and annoying to no end... and like you I have tried to be nice, written polite posts... but I can't go back after reading the ignorance this guy spreads.... I think this should be addressed in it's own... what is it, topic? Ah well... thanks for having more tact than I, to respond in more mature adult ways.... I do let it get the best of me... and find myself acting as immature as his ideas...
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:03 pm

I'm not immature, Anon9104. Just tolerant. And I'm trying to make both myself and others understand why. I'm sorry you feel I'm hijacking the board. That is not my intent. I thought this was a place where you could speak your mind. I wasn't aware other people would shout me down, try to shudder me into silence. I don't like that, but I recognize I can't stop it. It's natural. Relax. I won't be here forever. I don't need to be and no one is paying me. There are other anti-Scientology forums I would never touch. I thought I would be heard here and know I wouldn't there. I'm not telling you to change your mind. I'm just showing you why my mind was changed. How you respond is your decision. The consequences of your response will be your burden too.
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:09 pm

DRE wrote:I'm not immature, Anon9104. Just tolerant. And I'm trying to make both myself and others understand why. I'm sorry you feel I'm hijacking the board. That is not my intent. I thought this was a place where you could speak your mind. I wasn't aware other people would shout me down, try to shudder me into silence. I don't like that, but I recognize I can't stop it. It's natural. Relax. I won't be here forever. I don't need to be and no one is paying me. There are other anti-Scientology forums I would never touch. I thought I would be heard here and know I wouldn't there. I'm not telling you to change your mind. I'm just showing you why my mind was changed. How you respond is your decision. The consequences of your response will be your burden too.


Well maybe some people are hearing you but I am not listening and I don't 'buy' your holier than though attitude of balance and tolerance, because I've read ALL of your posts.. (quick, go edit them before someone else sees the examples).... you distort the truth... you are whining about being heard, etc... we are not your avid fans of truth distortion... facts are facts and you can't distinguish it from fantasy fiction... all your crap, including being reborn as LRH makes me barf so hard... You are not 'being paid'? .......... sure seems like it to me, to distract from the REAL issues.
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:36 pm

Hey, even I agreed that "reborn as LRH" joke they made about me on IMDB was crap. And I didn't create it.

If you're not listening to me, why do you keep talking to me?

Maybe you don't see your view of Scientology as nothing more than a sinister cult and all its members as nothing more than corrupt brainwashed or brainwashing idiots as destructive. I do consider it destructive. And I have the strong feeling I am not the only person who holds such a view. Why can't you deal with it? Are you that in doubt about your own agenda?

If you feel I'm violating this place's rules, saying things that shouldn't be said, go ahead and take your case to the admins. I will not edit my posts. I do not need to. I am not here under false pretenses and my issues are pretty much all settled, save for your vendetta against me. If they want me to leave, I will leave. If they want to correct me on the truth I never experienced, I will accept it from them. If they agree that your stance is the best and only way, I will accept that too. Then I will depart to a place where I can feel more content with myself. Curiosity and desire to help others avoid intolerance is all that's keeping me around here at this point.
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:46 pm

Personally I would like you to keep in mind a special saying a bit more when considering Scientology, one that I've shown you before;

"All power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Scientologists are not bad people, but scientology caters to the corruptable, the ones that enjoy being a sadistic bossy fuckwad. It even encourages them. And the good points of scientology DO NOT outweigh the bad, it's a corrputed system that corrupts. (Simply read through the tonescale and you'll see what I'm talking about.)
The most important thing to learn about Life, the Universe, and Everything, is firstly; the answer is 42, and secondly; how utterly ridiculous it truly is
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:06 pm

Here's a quote for you.

"He who fights monsters should take care that he does not become a monster. When you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes back at you."

Being against Scientology in its totality has as much potential to corrupt as Scientology itself. I have seen so many critics who dehumanize Scientologists, label them "clams", call those who disagree "clam-lovers" or some equivalent, and in general treat people like dirt that I want to throw up. Is there not a better way to act? Is it a sin to hope people will take seriously the following words:

"We of the Church believe:

That all men of whatever race, color, or creed were created with equal rights;

That all men have inalienable rights to their own religious practices and their performance;

That all men have inalienable rights to their own lives;

That all men have inalienable rights to their sanity;

That all men have inalienable rights to their own defense;

That all men have inalienable rights to conceive, choose, assist or support their own organizations, churches and governments;

That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others;

That all men have inalienable rights to the creation of their own kind;

That the souls of men have the rights of men;

That the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills should not be alienated from religion or condoned in non-religious fields;

And that no agency less than God has the power to suspend or set aside these rights, overtly or covertly.

And we of the Church believe:

That man is basically good;

That he is seeking to survive;

That his survival depends upon himself and upon his fellows and his attainment of brotherhood with the universe.

And we of the Church believe that the laws of God forbid man:

To destroy his own kind;

To destroy the sanity of another;

To destroy or enslave another's soul;

To destroy or reduce the survival of one's companions or one's group.

And we of the Church believe that the spirit can be saved and that the spirit alone may save or heal the body."

I know the CoS is not following this creed I took off their site. I deplore them for such hypocrisy. And yet I do recognize that some people follow the creed. I hope their numbers will grow. I pray they will be accepted and allowed the right to exist. Why am I wrong in doing this?

If history proves you right, and Scientology is destroyed by its own mistakes the way the USSR was, or put down the way apartheid and Nazism were, I will accept your view as correct. But that ain't happening, and I have friends I want to get along with. So that is why I hold the view I do.
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:11 pm

Seriously guys? Oy.

Look, DRE isn't running the board or whatnot. Some of what he says has some good points, some of it doesn't--like all of us. At least he's consistently polite to everyone in voicing his ideas.


Nothing in the bylaws says you have to hate everything about Scn to be here.
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DRE, I do want to point out that even the creed has some iffy bits in it:

"That the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills should not be alienated from religion or condoned in non-religious fields; "

Code for, "No psychs."


"To destroy or reduce the survival of one's companions or one's group"
Code for, "You're making yourself sick, so you're dead weight on the group, so bye-bye."

I believe their "Human Rights" website also contains the gem of the Right to Copyright....mmm-hmmm.


The creed has some good bits, although those are pretty much ripped off from other religions or the Bill of Rights. Doesn't make them less good, but still.
mikolot mayim rabim adirim, mishbarai'yam
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:16 pm

I agree with those codes now that you've explained them, speckledtrout. Thank you. Those bits troubled me too. I'm in full agreement with the rest of the creed, pretty much.
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:44 pm

DRE wrote:I agree with those codes now that you've explained them, speckledtrout. Thank you. Those bits troubled me too. I'm in full agreement with the rest of the creed, pretty much.



your idiocy is on display, I just warned others that are new that you don't represent the majority here
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:51 pm

Never said I did. Now why can't you leave me alone and allow me the right to my views?
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:56 pm

DRE wrote:Never said I did. Now why can't you leave me alone and allow me the right to my views?


wah wah wah all the way back to the cult
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:24 pm

You COULD try both ignoring each other. That might be more pleasant for everyone. TR0 Bullbait, I think it is?

I don't think you were actually worried about "new people," Anon9104...I think he just gets under your skin and you used that as an excuse for this thread, which is ridiculous--as are the 2nd grade insults. If he bugs you that much just ignore him!


Do we REALLY think he's "being paid"??? What kind of insane paranoia is that? Soon everyone with a different opinion is OSA or a Scilon-lover.
If you do read his posts, he DOESN'T sound like a Scientologist to me, he sounds like he's on the fence about certain things and dating a Freezoner.
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Anonymous9104

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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:25 pm

speckledtrout wrote:You COULD try both ignoring each other. That might be more pleasant for everyone. TR0 Bullbait, I think it is?

I don't think you were actually worried about "new people," Anon9104...I think he just gets under your skin and you used that as an excuse for this thread, which is ridiculous--as are the 2nd grade insults. If he bugs you that much just ignore him!


Do we REALLY think he's "being paid"??? What kind of insane paranoia is that? Soon everyone with a different opinion is OSA or a Scilon-lover.
If you do read his posts, he DOESN'T sound like a Scientologist to me, he sounds like he's on the fence about certain things and dating a Freezoner.


HE's the one who said he wasn't being paid...
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:25 pm

Really? I feel like I should send you to a time out :?


ETA: Anyway, stick a fork in me, I'm done...have fun you two.
mikolot mayim rabim adirim, mishbarai'yam
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:28 pm

That sounds like an excellent idea, speckledtrout. I will ignore Anon9104 from this point on. It has become apparent all she wants to do is aggravate and insult me, and IMO my responding to her isn't helping me or anyone else. Nor is her attitude helping anyone IMO, but she does have a right to it. I will recognize that right. I will try to tone her out and do my own thing. I hope she can extend me the same courtesy. We'll see.
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:06 pm

DRE wrote:That sounds like an excellent idea, speckledtrout. I will ignore Anon9104 from this point on. It has become apparent all she wants to do is aggravate and insult me, and IMO my responding to her isn't helping me or anyone else. Nor is her attitude helping anyone IMO, but she does have a right to it. I will recognize that right. I will try to tone her out and do my own thing. I hope she can extend me the same courtesy. We'll see.


good luck
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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:11 pm

Are you not a girl? I'm sorry, I thought you told me you were an old lady once. Well, who and whatever you are, I don't like you or agree with you. And I think you disrespected women with your last statement. I will ignore you now. Please ignore me- or not, and see if it has consequences. 8)
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Anonymous9104

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Post Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:15 pm

DRE wrote:Are you not a girl? I'm sorry, I thought you told me you were an old lady once. Well, who and whatever you are, I don't like you or agree with you. And I think you disrespected women with your last statement. I will ignore you now. Please ignore me- or not, and see if it has consequences. 8)


I am a little old black lady... but that is none of your business... you don't have to respond to me if you are ignoring me... dumbo.
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Post Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:14 pm

Okay. This thread is personally attacking to another member. Violation of board rules.

Disagree, but dont badmouth another member in a thread.

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