Thanks for posting doublevee. The only posts otherwise have been mostly spam or someone trying to get individuals back into scientology. That makes for a hostile (or at least unfriendly) environment for ex scientologist kids (ex scientology meaning no longer part of scientology, not inclusive of "ex church of scientology" individuals, scientology being the body of work attributed to lrh). The "church" has been going strong trying to get anyone who has been offlines for hella. They are hurting badly for "stats" and "bodies". People who were raised in it can be seen as potential marks because theyve already been exposed to the indoctrination.
I've been contacted by the "church" back in february and then again last week. Both times they lied and it was easily identified as a lie( the way they got my unlisted number thas not under my name or associated with me in any way) and tried to change the subject when questioned on it. The first time I just pretty much went on and on about all the inconsistencies and how the "tech" doesnt produce the result they claim and how they change this that are considered "standard tech" by lrh actually werent cause lrh wasnt as aware and OT as he would have liked people to believe. And they finally hung up on me after a bunch more things i brought up that when i was a kid would have gotten me ethics or grounded or otherwise punished.
The second call was last week, the dude adam said he was just updating the mailing list and found a letter from when i was a kid that said i like seafood and movies lol. from when i was like 10 or so, thats how far back theyre dredging and desperate for "bodies". I was gonna give him another earful and be irate, but i decided, what the fuck, its just some dude calling cause they're misinformed and believe theyre part of a wonderful group of people( kids, thats why you never ever ever! read anything negative, er entheta, about scientology, it just might burst the bubble youve been living in lol). He wanted to send a dvd about the basics, and i replied, oh, the basics, cause lrh wasnt at cause enough or aware enough to correct the mistakes. to which he replied lrh knew it was incorrect, and that theyd have to go back and fix it after he was gone. ok, so then what you're saying is that before miscavige, there was no standard tech and lrh lied and deliberately led others down the wrong path and thankfully miscavige fixed it? and he said i was poking holes and attacking. so i said, attacking and pointing out discrepancies are two different things. and he said, no its not. so i said, really? so you cant point out things that dont makes sense or contradict each other without it being attacking, to which he said no, but your being degrading, and i asked how so, to which he repeated his miscaveeg tech fixing story. i mentioned about a flap around the phone number they listed for mental health after 9/11 and he saiud he hadnt heard of it, he doesnt read the news, and doesnt have access to the internet (which is weird cause he said he got my number through accurent(sp?) an online personal info site, but i didnt bring that up). he mentioned as well how tom cruise and adam sandler raised money for japan( whats that got to do with the basics? lol) and then he said volunteer ministers went there and provided a calm place for people to go and they helped out a lot, so i asked, so they provided food and shelter for these people? is there a website with actual stats i can go to thats put out by a government agency and not related to scientology that i can go to to look this up? he gave me the scientology dot org site lol. i said no, i said not affiliated with scientology. we talked about the ideal org situation, to which i asked, has he been outside of l.a. to any ideal orgs? is he aware that a lot of them are empty or low on staff? he said no. i told him it seemed i was more informed about scientoligy than he was. he didnt know miscaveeg grade but somehow knew that lrh was OT 15 lol. we went back to the whole discrepancy of the basics and he eventually acknowledged that lrh was wrong. he said lrh was wrong( it was either lrh was wrong or miscaveeg was wrong, and lrh is dead, so im guessing lrh was the safer bet to say was wrong lol), then this lisa chick came on the phone and told adam she had it from there and told me she was going to hang up on me. i told her she may want to debrief adam cause he got an earful of enturbulation and seemed to start to stutter. she said she wasnt going to talk to me, jus twanted to let me know that my phone number and address would be removed( she kept asking if the address they had was correct and what phone number i want removed too, to which i said , the one adam called me at, he called, he knows the number, and whatever address they have listed, please delete those too). pretty sheisty the way they came up with a phone number and address and called back after me telling them not to the first time a few month ago.
one thing that the call reminded me of, was that scientologists arent rational, they use cirucular logic that only superficially supports their argument, but cant bear close scrutiny. growing up, i saw a lot of things that didnt make sense. i was a child and subject to adults who were pretty insane( in the sense that the way they perceived the world and told me i had to percieve the world didnt match up with the real world, only made sense if you didnt ask any questions. its pretty awesome now to no longer have to be subject to that. i can ask question without repercussions. i dont have to blindly follow some lunatic, and i dont have to worry about being able to take courses or not, cause theres so much better information(data) out there, and its totally free! the tech is like digging through feces to find a tiny pearl here and there. mind you, theres a huge ocean out there with hella oysters and hella pearls to be found without having to dig through the shit of lrh/scientology.
The dude who called seemed genuinely perturbed by what i was saying, he seemed more trying t oconvince himself than trying to convince me, i hope he wakes up and starts thinking for himself. its a good thing to bring up inconsistencies to scientologists, cause it makes it harder for them to live in their fantasy conspiracy world. monsters hide in the dark, and scientology is a big monster, so show some light of truth on it, and see it for what it is. peace and blessings.
ps. if anyone reads the posts here and are an EX, please let me know. i dig the idea of this site, but it does seem to be mostly pro scientology stuff here, and im an EX scientologist, so if there are other EX (again, i mean ex scientology, not ex church of scientology, scientology is scientology regardless of where you practice it) let me know, so i can tell whether its worht posting here or not( even just an anonymous thumbs up would be appreciated)