Refuting the "Leaving Scn is Wrong" Myth

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Post Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:48 am

Refuting the "Leaving Scn is Wrong" Myth

I'd like to go over some of the things that Scientology kids are told when they finally leave, or when they decide to speak out. I want you guys to know what the main arguments are for keeping people inside, and how exactly some (not all, obviously) Scientologists treat people who decide to get out and speak up.

I want ex-scientology kids who have heard this to understand that they are NOT the only ones that hear this horrible stuff. Common ways of trying to make you feel bad for leaving include:

1) You are just trying to justify your own crimes!
2) You just have to be "right" all the time, dont you?
3) You have no idea what the upper levels are all about, NO IDEA!
4) You're allying yourself with nutcases and SPs!
5) Attacking the church is wrong no matter WHAT!
6) It was your choice to lose your family
7) You're an SP!
8. Leaving is not the correct action. You should try to fix it from the inside, by going through the proper channels.
9) Stop telling yourself you're happy outside the church, because you're not.
10) You're losing your one chance at eternity, and I don't want to be dragged down with your ship.

So just remember:

1) It's not a crime to disagree and to talk to other people who disagree

2) Having your own opinion and expressing it does not mean you're trying to put everyone else down by being "right".

3) You know, you can read the last half of a book and still get what the book's about, dude.

4) This "hate them and love us, or love them and hate us" no middle ground crap has got to go.

5) No, it isn't. If there's abuses, they should be confronted. I just wonder why you guys aren't confronting them yourselves, and why it takes a bunch of people speaking out against it from the outside to get you people to even look at the possibility that maybe possibly potentially perhaps something's not jiving.

6) Not a choice that should even have been presented to me, and for the record, no it wasn't.

7) "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya

8. The proper channels are broken. All I hear is static.

9) Hey, jerkface - YES I AM. Stop "evaluating" for me. What do you want me to do to prove to you that I'm doing well outside Scientology? Tap-dance?

10) My eternity is mine to do with as I see fit, without fear of you ostracizing me and cutting me off from my family because I made that choice. Get your OWN eternity, stop playing with mine.

I can't even count the number of times people have said this stuff to me.

At this point? It's like that Gary Larsen cartoon with the dog. You know that one? "What we say", "What the dog hears"?:

Blah blah blah blah, Kendra, blah blah Kendra, blah blah blah.

Put that in your emeter and audit it.
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Post Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:22 pm

Go Kendra!!
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Post Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:42 pm

I think Frank Herbert said it best:

It is by will alone I set my mind in motion,
it is by the juices of safu that thoughts acquire speed,
lips acquire stains,
the stains become a warning.

If you just change juices of safu to questions, and stains is changed to truth.....

Think about it.
Through dangers untold and hardships unnumbered, I have fought my way here
to the castle beyond the goblin city to take back the child you have stolen. For my will is as strong as yours and
my kingdom is as great!

You have no power over me.
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Post Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:58 pm

Re: Refuting the "Leaving Scn is Wrong" Myth

Tru2form wrote:6) It was your choice to lose your family


I would imagine that fanatics of other religions think much the same way about their vicious actions too, e.g. if the Islamic girl hadn't gone and married a boy that daddy didn't approve of, he wouldn't have been forced into an "honor killing".

It's just an abdication of responsibility on their part. Deep down I'm sure that churchies know disconnection of friends and family is disgusting and wrong, otherwise they wouldn't lie about it like they did in the PR piece that Jenna debunked. CofS does split up families over ideological differences.
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Post Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:15 pm

[sarcasm]Hey, that's pretty harsh. They're just following in their messiah's footprints.[/sarcasm]


But seriously, this is the hardest thing to wrap the brain around. The biggest selling point of any cult is the preaching of peace and brotherhood and total acceptance of people, but then they just turn around and make you isolated from former friends and family saying they are evil. The contradiction is just too much for people who.....

I'm sorry, I can't finish that statement without it sounding insulting to some of the people here.

Perhaps... too much for people who don't have scales over their eyes?
Through dangers untold and hardships unnumbered, I have fought my way here
to the castle beyond the goblin city to take back the child you have stolen. For my will is as strong as yours and
my kingdom is as great!

You have no power over me.
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Post Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:44 pm

that is fascinating, yet scary. it reminds me of the mom in "Carrie". she was devoted to her faith to the point it controlled her reasoning.

i went to a catholic school from 1st to 12th grade. try as i might to equate what Kendra has said here to my experience, i cant. absolutely there are coincidences- at any religious-based school you are expected to conform and obey, and worship is mandatory. it was strict. kids were disciplined (and in maybe two cases i remember well, physically abused).

but the disassociation from non-scienos encouraged by kendra's elders (her parents?) is one element of a cult. ill spell it for ya-- C...U...L...T.
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Post Fri May 02, 2008 1:13 am

DEFINITELY!

I have heard most of those and having left myself would like to add a few:

a) "The way out is the way through", running away is not going to get you out of this.

b) You have MUs (misunderstood words), that's why you are blowing and you feel confused which means "at the stem of every confusion is an MU".

c) You are just being influenced by people's Black PR. People who start Black PR have done really bad things. You should think about the people you are listening to.

d) You don't want to follow any of the rules of Scientology, did you know that criminals are the ones who don't want any rules?

PLEASE!!! The more I think about these things, the more it makes me want to puke.
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Post Fri May 02, 2008 4:06 am

Re: DEFINITELY!

Amy wrote:I have heard most of those and having left myself would like to add a few:

a) "The way out is the way through", running away is not going to get you out of this.

b) You have MUs (misunderstood words), that's why you are blowing and you feel confused which means "at the stem of every confusion is an MU".

c) You are just being influenced by people's Black PR. People who start Black PR have done really bad things. You should think about the people you are listening to.

d) You don't want to follow any of the rules of Scientology, did you know that criminals are the ones who don't want any rules?

PLEASE!!! The more I think about these things, the more it makes me want to puke.


For me it's Laugh My Ass Off - it's so ridiculous.

And "d" - I think it's the criminals in Scn that make far too many rules. Don't do this, don't talk about that, blah, blah, blah. Like we're a bunch of 2 year olds that need to be "protected" from our inability to think for ourselves.
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Post Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:57 pm

"You need to be willing to experience anything."

(Like it's my fault that I'm having a problem with Scn. It's never a problem with the Tech because the Tech is perfect. This is wrong.)


"You're either for us or against us."

(Basically #4 from Tru2form above, but said a little differently. This statement is not true. It's faulty logic. When you think about it, there are billions of people that are neither for or against Scientology. It's not a black and white world, but they like to make it that way. Us and them. Scilons and wogs. KSW says if they are on board, they are on board like the rest of us, otherwise let them quit early. Same idea of no middle ground. This is wrong.)
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Post Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:02 am

6) It was your choice to lose your family

Since when do children born into Scientology have families?

If someone is willing to throw you under the bus then they are NOT family.
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Post Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:15 am

Put that in your e-meter and audit it!


ROCK ON, Kendra! :rockon: :cheer:

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Post Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:40 am

Probably the most telling LRH reference, to unbrainwash oneself, is to go through Keeping Scientology Working again, and not suppress one's disagreements with that policy letter.

I was on the RPF for almost my final 7 years in the Sea Org, and for a total of 22 months, I was "routing out" and finally did make it out, via the PAC RPF.

I read Keeping Scientology Working in my final years over and over.

I had a huge sense of relief, when I suddenly, one day, realized LRH never blamed himself!

He only blames everyone else.

Period.

LRH set up the movement to blame the members, and particularly the quitters!

LRH set unobtainable goals for the members, and forces KSW #1 down everyone's throats as the ultimate make wrong against anyone NOT getting results with Scientology.

Just what if LRH is wrong. Well he never for a second considered he was wrong, but that is the obvious missing piece.

LRH lacked the humility to consider that he is wrong on a LOT of things!

And he is wrong on a lot of things!

A person can totally change their religious/spiritual beliefs, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Anyways, I suggest if necessary, anyone wanting to re-read KSW and let their disagreements percolate and bubble up, they'll get some relief!
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Post Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:55 pm

Thank you Kendra! And excellent suggestion Chuck!

I would like to add:

" You are the one breaking up the family!"

and

"I'll disconnect if you 'act' like an SP."

Cheers,
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