What I Learned Thinking For Myself

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Post Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:38 pm

What I Learned Thinking For Myself

These are just SOME of the things I’ve read in the last 30 days about Scientology. Week after week, I told myself… I’d stop. I’d stop obsessing about this cult. I’d stop wasting MY time on it… It was so bad, I couldn’t do anything but read and read, ignoring both work and family. I stayed up all hours and woke up early, and the one time I passed out while reading… I had dreams of Scientology. Dangerously and irresponsibly I was reading stories between traffic lights, any moment spent waiting, while eating, to the distraction of work and REAL life. I felt a terrible sadness after watching Voiceless8C’s videos on YouTube and began to just be very depressed. Later that depression turned to anger, then to outreach, and action. Let me say that Voiceless 8C and www.exseaorg.com are the most heartfelt, gentle information for any current members of Scientology out there… they deserve awards, sincerely. As well extra thumbs up for those super passionate protesters around the world.

I watched dozens and dozens and let’s just say hundreds of videos on YouTube and other video channels for Scientology, against it, for Anonymous, against them, former members, current members, from all over the world. One that struck me was of Mary DeMoss telling Mark Bunker that he was obsessed with Scientology, that he ate, lived and breathed it… and he should focus on HIS own life. For some of us, this IS our own life, for others… it is de-facto. Maybe we know / knew someone in ‘the cult’, maybe we ran across some information on it accidentally, for or against, it could be any reason, but we’re here now and that’s what matters. Each of us has our own voices to use to prevent future pain and suffering of those not already involved and to help assist those who are and who want out, as well as those who are slowly waking up from their trances by our chants outside their doors…

This has been a strange time for me, as when I began studying Scientology, I thought it was just a strange religion, knowing NOTHING about it whatsoever. As I began to study, I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what Anon meant… What are all these strange terms? Who are ALL these people speaking out in defiance against this religion, which I would later discover after much research is actually a cult? Early on, I studied Anon forums, but they weren’t very informative as to the meat of the cult. They were just anti. I went to the official Scientology website, and was astounded at the amount of information there… Did Hubbard ever quit writing in circles? People were supposed to believe every word? Even I have questions about my own religion which will never make sense or get answers, and no religion is perfect, anyone with any sense will tell you. Be wary of straight lines drawn in the sand, the way is not always so narrow… life is not like that, and neither should religion be. There are no all encompassing answers, which would be fail, like sweeping generalized statements…

Anyway, I’ve learned a lot from you all, www.exseaorg.com is a beautiful site, and everyone has been so helpful. Thanks go out to first and foremost, Chuck Beatty, Jeff Hawkins, Tory Magoo, Marjory Wakefield, A. Lerma, Michael Tilse, Robert Vaughn and Stacy Young, Monica Pignotti, Jenna Miscavige, and the other girls from Ex Scn Kids, all the people who make the videos, Anon and Ex Parishioners, all the people brave enough to speak out, for telling your stories, for taking up a good cause and winning, real wins!!! Thanks for your art and creativity on YouTube, the time to protest, to tell a story to go through the pain of remembering it, exposing it and having the courage to find ways to move forward in your lives… And we are winning this battle, as more Scientologists are out or on their way out than are currently in or going in. We will win by word of mouth, by one protest at a time, and take on the world of Scientology as they took on the free society, and we won’t stop until it is nothing more than the biggest cult in world history….

Lerma… If you are reading, why hasn’t a mass worldwide class action lawsuit been filed combining everyone’s cases inter-continentally? Is this possible? I will ask my lawyer… But I’m sure this has been addressed, but if anyone has references for it, please provide. Some of the things that stand out, not already mentioned, were photographs by Lerma and Hawkins, as those are rare.
Also standing out was the article by Robert Vaughn Young, Why People Stay where he wrote, “My situation had deteriorated to the point that I was afraid I was either going to go crazy on the RPF or die, so I escaped one night.”

Also on Ex-Scientologist’s Message Board, by BEA or MIGHTYBEA? Actual name is Maureen. She wrote in segments. One can not put down ANY of these personal stories, really. In hers, there were several things that grabbed me. One was that she was so self sufficient at a young age, with paper routes, saving money, caring for herself and being ‘gifted’. It is also hard to believe in these personal stories of Scientology that humor could be found, but this proved it. The parts about her trying to impress a guy and then her motorcycle falls on her and hurts her foot. (Sorry about your foot, but that is a great scene for a movie). Then the funniest part was when she fought with her auditor over Effort vs. Doing, and was sent to Ethics after being told there was no problem. Then in Ethics when she walks in the lady says seriously “What did you DO?”… and she was like, “I, uh... “. Then she is told that the lady was talking to her ‘baby’. The baby looked like little Miss. WIthholdy. The lady proceeded to call in someone from another office, and a big conversation ensues about how the baby is withholding something because she’d had made a stinky. Well let’s just say she needed her diaper changed. That is the funniest thing I’ve ever read.

And here are a few things from Paulette Cooper’s book Scandal of Scientology that I found particularly interesting. There is a story about private investigators answering classified job ads then being interviewed and audited during which they were repeatedly asked, “Who sent you here to spy on us?” Then Paulette questions whether or not LRH tried to be deliberately confusing having written (according to her), 7 pre-logics, and twenty-four logics, plus fifty-eight axioms. Of which she quoted one, “Affinity is a scale of attitudes which falls away from the coexistence of static, through the interpositions of distance and energy to create identity down to close proximity but mystery…” Does that make sense to anyone? Her point was that, ironically, LRH said Scientologists should never go past any word they did not understand. So is it good enough to understand the individual word, or do you have to understand it in the given context (who for some would be ‘nonsense’).

And further, lastly, quoting LRH “I think… if what we really observed was what we were observing that we always observed to observe. And not necessarily maintaining a skeptical attitude, a critical attitude, or an open mind. But certainly maintaining sufficient Personal Integrity and sufficient personal belief and confidence in self and courage that we observe what we observe and weigh what we have observed… “ Yeah THAT makes sense… to space aliens. Just kidding. I understand each parishioner and ex-member has their reasons for believing. And I am not here to sit in judgment, and you are all in my prayers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo1_eApZiLw Voiceless8C

From www.exseaorg.com

Doubt is not a Crime

Your Eight Dynamics

Thinking of Leaving the Sea Org?

Why People Stay: Towards a New Model of ‘Cult Control’,
By Robert Vaughn Young

“My situation had deteriorated to the point that I was afraid I was either going crazy on the RPF or die… so I escaped” ~

From www.exscientologykids.com

Afraid to Say Scientology

I Was Born Into Scientology

Have You Ever Helped Anyone Get Out of Scientology

www.xenu.net & www.operationclambake.xenu.net

How to Leave Scientology

I Am Not a Scientologist

The Cult of Celebritities

How to Talk To a Scientologist

From www.lermanet.com

A Mother’s Betrayal

Chris Cloutier’s Situation

8 Steps Out of Scientology

The Scientology Tone Scale

Help For Scientology Ex Members

New Hampshire picket and forced abortions

Michael Pattinson’s Experiences in Scientology

Tips For Breaking the Trance of a Scientologist

How an Ex Scientologist Can Exit a Current Scientologist

After 27 Years in Scientology and the Sea Org Chuck Beatty Tells His Story


Another Childcare Horror Story

What Exactly Do Scientologists Believe? Here’s the Answer

New At Truth About Scientology: Essay by a Lifetime Member


Scientology: What Got Me In, What Got Me Out; What I Think Now


Copenhagen Expansion Project


Experiences Dianetics Church of Scientology


What Is A Cult?

Afraid To Say Scientology

I Was Born Into Scientology

Do Scientologists Actually Talk Like This?

Have You Ever Helped Anyone Get Out of Scientology

(And Countless Other Threads and Life Stories)

Effective Wake Up Phrases for Scientologists


Leaving and Leaves

Bill Wants To Talk To You

Holidays and Scientology: What Gives?

If Scientology Really Worked

If You Knew This Group Did All This, Would You?

Can You Just Walk Out of Scientology

Scientology Teaches People Rude Behavior, Bad Manners

Have You Met A Clear

Clears Feeling Blue

Proposal – Let’s Get Real Here

Honey… Should We Join Wise?

Scientology Testing Still CLOSED

Thinking of Doing Solo Nots?


Addendum: Layers of an Onion (Excerpt from Madman or Messiah?)

My Story (various personal stories from inside the cult)

What Is Expected From You As A Lifelong Scientologist

Voiceless8C YouTube Videos

The Profit (Movie Not Released Due to Injunction)

The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power by Richard Behar

Pushing Beyond The U.S.: Scientology Makes Its Presence Felt in Europe and Canada by Richard Behar

A Piece of Blue Sky by J Atak

Email from an Almost-Scientologist (source unknown)

Why I Left Scientology Articles by Ruth Lorenzen

The Scandal of Scientology by Paulette Cooper

The Road To Xenu By Marjory Wakefield

Social Control In Scientology by Bob Penny

Madman or Messiah by Corydon

Tom Cruise Unauthorized Biography by Andrew Morton

Releasing the Bonds by Steve Hasaan

Ethics by Ron Hubbard

www.scientology.org Church of Scientology Official Website

My Nine Lives In Scientology by Monica Pignotti

Suicide psychosis Monica Pignotti

http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/suicide1.htm Scientology and Suicide

http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com/ Formerly Fooled and Finally Free From the Deceptive Cult Called Scientology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientolog ... e_Internet Scientology and the Internet

http://www.bbcpanorama-exposed.org/intr ... xposed.php Panorama Exposed

http://www.qwerk.com/another-scientolog ... you-angry/
Another Scientology Documentary to Make You Angry

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/03/26/chu ... ed-online/ Church of Scientology Operating Thetan Documents Leaked Online

http://www.fzaoint.net/doubt.html Scientology Doubt Formula

http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-in ... o-suppress Tom Cruise Video Un-censored Which Co$ Tried to Suppress ... us&strip=1 Ruinous Thoughts to Help Un-brainwash a Scientologist (Brought up from History Cache of Enturbulation.org).

http://people.howstuffworks.com/brainwa ... /printable How Brainwashing Works

http://larrybren.blogspot.com/ Speaking Out About Organized Scientology

http://www.scientology-kills.org/person ... illpg2.htm Quentin Hubbard’s Scientology Page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network Cult Awareness Network
http://www.csj.org/announce/annoucement ... s/can.html CAN Sold
Also Related http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews ... et-CAN.htm
http://www.cultawarenessnetwork.org/WhoWeAre.html Who We Are (Now) Site Down?

www.enturbulation.org (Site Down), now using www.enturubulation.ning.com NEW SITE TEMPORARY

http://www.warlab.com/ Wrote Song Scientology Pawned from video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsikz0n1uDE (This cartoon character explaining Xenu Theory with DZK song narration is the most believable Xenu has EVER been to me…. ah, now it all makes sense, NOT)

www.scientology-exposed.com Scientology Exposed

www.scientology-kills.org Personal Stories

http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/kathryn.html Personal Story

http://suppressiveperson.org/spdl/index ... &Itemid=30 Suppressive Person Defense League: Dedicated to the Defense of Scientology’s Victims

http://www.gotquestions.org/scientology ... -cult.html Is Scientology a Christian or a Cult?

http://www.holysmoke.org/sm/tabayoyon.htm ANDRE TABAYOYON AFFIDAVIT

http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic ... ard.com%2F Stop Scientology Abuses

http://www.spaink.net/fishman/ot5.html Karin Spaink - The Fishman Affidavit, OT V

HackingScientology.com (I don’t’ know what to make of this site, it is highly criticized by some Anon, and other sites it’s advertised, if anyone has a full story on it let, please share)

http://paulfetch.info/biography.php Paul Fetch (not sure about this one either, it was hard to find any original videos by Paul Fetch)

http://www.answers.com/topic/eric-hoffer The True Believer by Eric Hoffer

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-genera ... non-30512/ Anonymous Protest from Cincinnati Ohio

Related http://www.prlog.org/10130397-former-cl ... stors.html Ex Browns Player Stalks Protesters

http://www.liferepair.info/potentialanalysis.htm Life Repair

http://wikileaks.org/leak/scientology-a ... ndbook.pdf Assist Processing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OT_VIII OT VIII

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology_c ... rson_(1991) On Introspection Rundown / Lisa McPherson

www.religiousfreedomwatch.org Religious Freedom Watch

http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?NoticeID=3916 Scientology Claims Copyright Infringement

http://www.scientologymyths.info/ Scientology Myths: Fact and Fiction

http://shaphan.typepad.com/blog/2006/08 ... stone.html Sumner Redstone Declared an SP

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh17 ... wchart.gif
Scientology Flowchart Photo

http://anontruthishere.blogspot.com/ Anon Truth Is Here Blogspot

http://anontruthishere.blogspot.com/ The Fram Problem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect The Butterfly Effect

http://nazjadrama.com/index.php?dir=inf ... order=desc Photo’s Explaining Scientology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJM0DrU9 ... re=related A Message to Sceintologists


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Post Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:57 pm

Re: What I Learned Thinking For Myself

bosshog wrote:Also on Ex-Scientologist’s Message Board, by BEA or MIGHTYBEA? Actual name is Maureen.

Actually it's not.

But I won't say what it is, because she hasn't given permission as far as I know to say.

A little more care there.



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Post Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:51 am

:) The highter you go in scientology the less you think for your self , this is the whole proplem we face.... my mind is L rons mind and and L rons mind is my mind .. if you can think for your self you are O T 100 and smarter then any scientologist alive in the world...if a scientologist could think for him self , no one would be in the orgs and there would be no one protesting....the Key to mind control is you can not think for your SELF .......you hit it right on the nail bosshog... remember drones can not think for them selfs.....GOOD WORK

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