The cost of Scientology

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Post Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:15 am

The cost of Scientology

I will be first clear in my position- while I have absolutely no qualms with Scientology, I have a rather large hate for "Co$". While it's cool to believe whatever you want, the price tag that the Church puts on it is absolutely staggering.

However, my search to find factual numbers has failed. I just want to know the price of reaching levels.

How much, generally, does it cost to reach the state of Clear? When I say "costs", I mean coursebooks, any type of class fees you need, as well as how much volunteer time you may need to give. How long does it usually take to reach this?

After that, how much does it cost (in time and money) to reach OT1, OT2, OT3, all the way to OT8?

I heard that to reach OT8, it can cost up to 300,000 US dollars; however, the person who told me this had no sources.

So, I am looking for personal stories, as well as any helpful links, that can give me some price tags on this info.

Thanks in advance.
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Post Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:29 am

Well, the reason it's so hard to put a definite price tag on that is that a lot of auditing is charged hourly. There are a TON of processes that take some people 4 days to finish, and other people may take 2 years. In Scientology they say, "It takes as long as it takes."

People purchase auditing in blocks of 12.5 hours, called an Intensive. Last I heard, one intensive cost around $2000 dollars.

Also, prices usually increase every year. If I recall correctly, when I did my Student Hat course, it cost around $800.00 (or maybe that was just the books?). My parents paid for everything, so I rarely saw the receipts.
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Post Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:43 am

Back in January someone posted a rapid shit of Co$ Dox which had some kind of sheet with the prices of everything on it. Well, the rough prices I assume. I suggest asking on enturb once its up again.

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Post Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:47 pm

Well I think it would be really interesting to see how much everyone remembers. Anyone who's taken services at CoS and remembers the price: please post the service you took, the approximate year you took it, and what it cost.

I don't remember most of my course costs, because as I said, my parents paid for everything, but I saw the reciepts for a few.

Oh, another one of mine: Key to Life / Life Orientation Courses: around $9000.00 in 1992 at AOLA.
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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:14 am

Welll, I have heard from several peeps still "in" that the new "Basics" package costs right around 2 grand.

My idiot brother tried to borrow the money from my grandparents - he told them it's a "philosophy course". They found out what he was talking about and of course turned him down. They've been out of $cn for almost 30 years. :lol:
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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:31 am

Key to Life / Life Orientation Courses


WTF? Isn't that called "infancy"? I lul'd.
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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:44 am

Approximate costs of going up the Bridge.

One of the few actual regrets I have in my life is having been a "productive" FSM, having brought in excess of a million dollars into the church.

Auditing at a class V org is approximately $3,200 for a 12 1/2 hour intensive (block). with a purchase of 12 intensives, or 150 hours, this price decreases to approximately $2,000 an intensive or $24,000 for 150 hours.

There are various loss leaders of introductory auditing for minimal cost, but they are designed only to get you hooked.

Based on the last 4 people I was involved with in getting up the bridge, it costs an absolute minimum of $40,000 to go clear (unless you train and co-audit, and I personally don't know anyone who has actually gone clear this route). The highest I personally know a person paid to go clear was about $120,000.00.

Ls were $10,000 an intensive, and it cost anywehre between a minim of $50,000 and $100,000 to do all Ls.

OT 1-8 cost about $100,000 with a modest amount of auditing for OT 4, 5 repairs and reviews. In reality, cost is generally between $130 and $200,000.

You are expected to make donations to the IAS and other projects (say $20-50,000 minimum, and many, if they have had a more colourful past, are pressured to donate hundreds of thousands if they have the means.

Plus travel, time off work, hotel accomodations while on services, etc.

The 4 people I worked with who made the "greatest" progress spent $220,000 to get to OT V with teh highest spending over $700,000 to get to OT V.

Talking to other FSMs, I believe the real, total, average actual cost of getting to OT VIII is between $450,000 and $600,000.

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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:19 am

As a comment, rarely are services sold individually. People don't buy OT 1. They buy OT 1 - 3. So the price is 16455 for them if you pay individually. But they will sell you a "Package price of $12500!"

So, consider that, if purchased in bulk, services are 25% cheaper than the IAS price on average.
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Holy crap, I'm stickying this.
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The page doesn't have a date on it, and I can't guarantee it's validity, it was sent to me in a package of a bunch of documents, and it all looks legit, but as said, I can't *guarantee* it.

Also, no date on there, so it may be from a couple years ago.
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It's real. Has to be.
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Works for me :P

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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:59 am

This whole subject of cost and money for Scn services has been something I have thought about over the years since I left.

If LRH Tech was so great and can save the planet, then how come they are not using it to "handle" people in trouble and make them better and make the world better?

Why doesn't the IAS have programs to help poor people get up the Bridge to Total Freedom?

The reason is MONEY is the motivation that LRH had and that DM has in order to maintain power. That is my opinion.
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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:24 am

Tru2form wrote:Holy crap, I'm stickying this.


DAMN .. a sticky I didn't originate. I am soooooooo upset now. :(

NOT! :lol:

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Clickman wrote: If LRH Tech was so great and can save the planet, then how come they are not using it to "handle" people in trouble and make them better and make the world better?

Why doesn't the IAS have programs to help poor people get up the Bridge to Total Freedom?

The reason is MONEY is the motivation that LRH had and that DM has in order to maintain power. That is my opinion.


True. The purpose of Scientology is not to help people, and it never has been. To the core, it has a capitalist agenda, raw, brutal capitalist agenda topped with a very sofisticated belief system which tries to explain away the reasons why some people are excluded from the the "aid" of Scientology. "Help" those who are "able" to be helped, who can pay for services and are gullible enough to believe in Scientology tech, but leave those who cannot on the streets to fend for themselves. Yes, that is humanitarian aid indeed. :roll:

And this is also the very reason Scientology is in such a need to defend itself and always wants to divert attention to areas where it "helps", because they in fact are so few.
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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:01 pm

That price list reads like a list of various washing powders.
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This is just like a ponzi-scheme, only with a religious flavor to it :?
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Post Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:17 am

Is there any charity???

Does anyone know of any real philanthropy going on within the CoS (officially or even unofficially)? There is certainly a crap-load of cash in the organization. Just wondering if anyone near the top has had a notion to display the church's charitable side for those less fortunate. Wouldn't that be a really good way to offload some of the criticism against them?
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Re: Is there any charity???

[quote="hunter"]Does anyone know of any real philanthropy going on within the CoS (officially or even unofficially)? There is certainly a crap-load of cash in the organization. Just wondering if anyone near the top has had a notion to display the church's charitable side for those less fortunate. Wouldn't that be a really good way to offload some of the criticism against them?[/quote]

As of 10 years ago when I was in the SO there was no real church sponsored philanthropy. More recently there have been things like volunteer ministers, criminal rehab, drug rehab, way to happiness, but each of these actions were done with money newly donated to the church from parishoners. We would get calls "we have to send 10 people to NY, or sent people to Thailand for the tsunami". Most philanthropy was done with new dollars raised for that disaster and to PR Scientology. There may be some expenses paid out of current FP monies, like airfairs for SO members, there may be some IAS grants, but I am quite sure most moneys are regged for the event.

As of approximately 1985, a pretty credible source reported cash SO reserves of $200,000,000.00. No credible reports since that time.
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