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Post Sun May 25, 2008 3:20 am

Hubbard's Affermations

I was just doing a google search for "scientology doubt formula", to see if I could find a copy of the policy posted online (always thought the CoS should put "the tech" online, even before I left).

Anyway, while doing my search I came across this very interesting document, allegedly written by LRH and submitted as evidence within at least court case.

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/w ... 03-11.html or
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/w ... ssions.pdf
(scroll down for the part written by Hubbard)

These affirmations, are essentially a list of self-hypnosis-commands/postulates/auditing-commands written by Hubbard to be run on himself. It can be read as a form of self-analysis, with Hubbard being honest with himself about his own case, his own thought patterns and beliefs, along with his own hopes, fears and emotional charge expressed in terms self-hypnosis commands to overcome them, to reprogram his own mind and thus create his own reality through pure force of will.

I don't have the ability to verify the authenticity of this document (anyone know anything more about this document?), but it does to me seem plausible, knowing what I know now. If it is true, then I would rate it as very insightful.

It was written by someone who had at least studied the works of Aleister Crowley and could think of the world in terms of self-defined reality, which is the essence behind magick/law-of-attraction/postulates.
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Post Sun May 25, 2008 3:33 am

To fill in the missing link between the "scientology doubt formula" and "affirmations", its via: "Creed Pearson’s Doubt Formula And Suppressive Person Declare" (link in the second section of text)

http://www.lermanet.com/creed-pearson/
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Post Sun May 25, 2008 8:04 am

whats the doc that ths was written to
and who has the original in you know
I doubt Mr. Hubbard wrote this
and I think this is probably just some Anon having fun messing with people
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Post Sun May 25, 2008 5:49 pm

hidden wrote:whats the doc that ths was written to
and who has the original in you know
I doubt Mr. Hubbard wrote this
and I think this is probably just some Anon having fun messing with people


The Gerry Armstrong site is far from being an Anon having fun messing with people.

Those affirmations have been referenced going back at least to the book Messiah or Madman if not earlier. He used Ron Jr. as his source.

According to Ron Jr. his father used drugs and self-hypnosis in or-
der to beef up his WILL:

F....The original dictaphones, and IBM had one...
..., And he would read these what he called the "Affirmations"
into, the dictaphone. This is when they were non-erasable. You know,
the old Edison with the wax cylinder.
He would write 'these up, or he'd take quotes from the Book of the
Law, and other places; then he'd take whatever he had in the way of
drugs and play 'em back. Usually he used headphones.

Hardly anyone believed Ron Jr. when he told this story; but the
"Affirmations," in their original hand-written version, were brought
into evidence in open court in Los Angeles in mid-1984, and are part
of the court record.
One of these "Affirmations" is: "All men shall be my slaves! All
women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my
feet and not know why!"
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Post Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:16 pm

Yes, definitely not Anon and I think I remember seeing the originals in LRH's handwriting, no?
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Post Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:12 am

MLWilde wrote:Yes, definitely not Anon and I think I remember seeing the originals in LRH's handwriting, no?


If you, or anyone, could find these in LRH's handwriting, I'd be much, much obliged.
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Post Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:56 pm

Tru2form wrote:If you, or anyone, could find these in LRH's handwriting, I'd be much, much obliged.


I will look for sure.

Also, Kendra - have you gotten my most recent email regarding the project i spoke to you about? I know you've been crazy busy and a lot of my emails have been going to people's spam boxes so I wasn't sure if I had been filtered out and maybe that was why you hand not replied. Anyway - let me know PM me here or email.

Hopefully you'll remember my handle and my real name - or else you might be reading this thinking wtf is this person talking about?
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Post Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:33 am

Erm? Fraid I didn't see anything. Hope my email's not bouncing! Can you send again?
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Post Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:08 pm

For "Hiddden"

Re Hubbard's actually writing the "affirmations" referred to herein. Yes, it's pretty well established that he did write them; and, all manner of things worse, better and in-between. He was a writer, after all, and a prolific one at that. Many writers, even well known and successful ones, write pornography or similar material - not for publication - but just because they write - also they tend to keep their stuff, whereas if I tried my hand at writing anything, I'd probably toss it in the trash at some point.

But Hubbard was involved in some very shady, wierd, illegal, immoral and evil stuff in his day. What you see as a scn is pure and unadultrated fabrications, lies and pure propaganda.

This has been hard for me to confront as I initially was totally "sold" on the whole "ball of wax" and I started as a mature adult with good life experience and education.

Probably the hardest thing for me to accept was that his lectures were mostly off-the-cuff flights of his imagination. I really enjoyed them - he was a master of the "tall, convincing tale" and he obviously enjoyed the sound of his own voice, didn't he. I believe he was also a sociopath. Look that up if you do not know the word, please.

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Post Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:43 am

Re: For "Hiddden"

Public Clammer wrote:But Hubbard was involved in some very shady, wierd, illegal, immoral and evil stuff in his day. What you see as a scn is pure and unadultrated fabrications, lies and pure propaganda.


When I first started to question Scientology, and literally started to question my entire belief system, I saw that as one option, to emotionally simply label everything connected with Scientology as pure and unadultrated fabrications. But on a logical level I knew that was as equally as false as to say that Scientology is pure and unadultrated truth.

My own conclusion is that I could not accept LRH or Scientology as implcitly true. This does not imply it is false, but rather of unknown validity. That I could not trust it as a primary source of information, without validating each idea or theory on an individual basis, corrilated with external sources of information and experence. A process that requires understanding many other systems of thought, and mapping them upon each other.

Many og LRH's ideas where borrowed from other sources, squirrelled into his own system of thought, often over-simplified into axioms. This was in later combined with the cultural aspect of fundamentalism that his ideas where THE tech, and all other ideas where "squirrel".

Leaving Scientology has taught me the danger of believing in absolutes, but this applies in both directions. The simple truth is rarely true and never simple.

Public Clammer wrote:I believe he was also a sociopath. Look that up if you do not know the word, please.


I did look it up, and had a look at the definition at http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html and many of those aspects to seem to what I know about LRH.

However if you consider it an aspect of hacking reality, what do you need to do to create the effect you are trying to achive. For all the bad things you can say about him, he did manage to create a large effect on his surroundings. He may have eventually been entrapped by his own creation, but as sociopaths go, he was a very successful sociopath.

For me LRH is both an example of what is potentually possible, and yet at the same time an example of the the dangers inherent in that path. As they say, be careful what you wish for, it may just come true.
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Post Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:52 am

A better answer...

James,

I like your answer better than mine. Thank you for it.

Wm Falkner said the following (or words similar) on the forward to one of his books as a compliment to the editor:

"we never saw eye to eye -
but we were always looking at the same thing."

I feel that way here.
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