Ex Scientology Kids

Hmm. Maybe I should make "Clear" the starting rank on the message boards.

Yes, but sadly Freuds theories are often overlooked in modern psychology.

I agree Anonymuzs, L Ron definitely grabbed some Freud concepts and morphed them into sounding half-way original. Sadly, Freud also believed that any sort of mass moral belief that enforced guilt or shame upon people was essentially hindering people's happiness and the evolution of society (to which he claimed was the fundamental purpose of western religions altogether). He said the entire "original sin" concept and it's subsequent result of a dependant and depressed western culture was a trajedy in human development. Ironically, L Ron ran with the concepts of Freud AND original sin, claiming that people are born messed up (but for allegedly factual and not moral reasons) and he claimed that the shame and guilt produced by Scientology were only red flags that you needed yet MORE Scientology -- to be 'happy' or 'pure', what have you. Freud would roll over in his grave if he knew Scientology was based off any of his theories! Eh. Thankfully, L Ron never cited Freud as a source...then again...he never cited anyone...

Yes, you have a point here though you might not know. Who was really clear and who was not - there was a tendency in 1990s when we tended to decleare people to clear no mater what audting they got, etc, people went clear all over the place - in 2000s the enw tendency was to give a bunch of people a non-clear R-factor (telling them they have not made it yet and they have to redo their lower grades). Actually around 2004 DM announced to the Sea Org staff that the lower grades procedures have been altered, Objectives were run incorrectly so this subject is a huge mistery. I do not know if they managed yet to redo or rewrite how to do grade IV etc , yet - but yes, the auditing changed a lot and as confusing even to insiders