LRH's screwy definition of "time"

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Post Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:07 pm

LRH's screwy definition of "time"

Hey does anyone out there have a Pro TRs book or Tech Dictionary in their library?

I'm looking for LRH's definition of TIME as covered on the Pro TRs claytable. I can only paraphrase it (the continued postulate of the existence of MEST, or somethign like that).

Man I had a hard time clay demoing that one. Now I'm trying to have a physics/science discussion with my hubby and trying to explain how Scn teaches you all wrong.

Thanks. :)
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Post Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:54 pm

TIME,
1. time is basically a postulate that space and particles will persist. (The rate of their persistence is what we measure with clocks and the motion of heavenly bodies.) (PAB 86)
2. time is actually a consideration but there is the experience of time. There is a distance, there is a velocity of particle travel—and the movement of that particle in relationship to its starting point and in relationship to its ending point, itself is the consideration of time. (5410CM13)
3 . exists in those things a thetan creates. It is a shift of particles, always making new space, always at an agreed-upon rate. (COHA, p. 249)
4 . simply a consideration, the considerations of time itself are mechanically tracked by the alteration of the position of the particles in space. (PAB 46)
5 . a manifestation in space which is varied by objects. (Scn 8-8008, p. 14)
6 . an abstract manifestation which has no existence beyond the idea of time occasioned by objects, where an object may be either energy or matter. (Scn 8-8008, p. 26)
7 . time is the co-action of particles. You can’t have action of particle at all unless you have space, and when you have a change in space then you have a different time. (PXL, p. 135)
8 . time is a consideration which brings about persistence. And the mechanic of bringing about that persistence is, by alteration. And so we have alter-is-ness taking place immediately after an as-is-ness is created, and so we get persistence. In other words, we have to change the location of a particle in space. (PXL, p. 114)
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Post Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:30 am

Thanks!
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Post Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:19 am

That was what I was looking for. Especially the first 2 defs.

*sigh* compared to LRH, quantum physics makes total, logical sense.
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Post Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:23 am

"Quantum" nothing.

This is a brilliant example of LRH scrambling words up to make himself sound smarter than he actually is. The definitions above are a) either cult-babble or b) basic physics expressed in convoluted language.

'Course, I can barely do long division, so I'm probably not the best person to comment on that. *cough*
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Post Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:31 am

Yes, I agree.

I was kind of making a physics joke. I'm learning about quantum physics (just a little, math/science is NOT my subject) and the joke is that NOBODY understands it, not even the guys writing the theories. It just makes no sense.

So if Ron makes quantum physics make sense, then he is really screwey. Well, that's what I meant to say, anyway.

One of my big hangups in learning science and physics is that I run into all this old false data that I learned in Scientology. It's total bull - uh, crud. Now I know why my parents wouldn't let me take Science in school. :x
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Post Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:49 am

I coulda started listing off the factors ... there is where it started ... :lol:
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Post Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:17 pm

"For tribal man space was the uncontrollable mystery. For technological man it is time that occupies the same role." -- Marshall McLuhan, "Magic That Changes Mood," The Mechanical Bride, (1951).
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Post Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:22 am

doubleVee wrote:Now I know why my parents wouldn't let me take Science in school. :x


Your parents didn't let you take science? ?!?
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Grundy wrote:TIME,
1. time is basically a postulate that space and particles will persist. (The rate of their persistence is what we measure with clocks and the motion of heavenly bodies.) (PAB 86)
2. time is actually a consideration but there is the experience of time. There is a distance, there is a velocity of particle travel—and the movement of that particle in relationship to its starting point and in relationship to its ending point, itself is the consideration of time. (5410CM13)
3 . exists in those things a thetan creates. It is a shift of particles, always making new space, always at an agreed-upon rate. (COHA, p. 249)
4 . simply a consideration, the considerations of time itself are mechanically tracked by the alteration of the position of the particles in space. (PAB 46)
5 . a manifestation in space which is varied by objects. (Scn 8-8008, p. 14)
6 . an abstract manifestation which has no existence beyond the idea of time occasioned by objects, where an object may be either energy or matter. (Scn 8-8008, p. 26)
7 . time is the co-action of particles. You can’t have action of particle at all unless you have space, and when you have a change in space then you have a different time. (PXL, p. 135)
8 . time is a consideration which brings about persistence. And the mechanic of bringing about that persistence is, by alteration. And so we have alter-is-ness taking place immediately after an as-is-ness is created, and so we get persistence. In other words, we have to change the location of a particle in space. (PXL, p. 114)


Guys and Gals,

I am an engineer; voracious reader, jack-of-all-trades and amateur philosopher; and, I gotta admit that I understand (or believe I do) the above definitions perfectly. The Phoenix lectures amplify, clarify and go somewhat further which may explain my (apparent) "getting" of what is written here. I dunno. But it is just this sort of thing that kept me pushing on, studying, fooling around, training, getting auditing - the whole "shootin match".... :yikes:

So? Should I "report in" to the psych ward?

Nah...they wouldn't know WTF I was babblin' about...for sure.

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Post Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:43 pm

K:

No, I have never had a science class - no wait, I did read a book once about "earth science" that talked about magma, tectonic plates, how plants grow, stuff like that. But I've never done anything else. No biology, no chemistry, not even computer classes.

My mom considered anything beyond reading and multiplication a waste of time. After all, it was irrelevant beside Scientology.

PC:

If it makes sense to you, great. :) When I read the LRH on stuff like particles and flows and time and so on it seems to be half sense and half confusion. (Some truth but then goes sideways.) But hey, it could just be me. Some people need things explained different ways to make sense. And neither math nor science has ever been my forte. I'm more of a visual/language/artsy person.
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Post Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:07 pm

doubleVee wrote:K:

No, I have never had a science class - no wait, I did read a book once about "earth science" that talked about magma, tectonic plates, how plants grow, stuff like that. But I've never done anything else. No biology, no chemistry, not even computer classes.

My mom considered anything beyond reading and multiplication a waste of time. After all, it was irrelevant beside Scientology.

PC:

If it makes sense to you, great. :) When I read the LRH on stuff like particles and flows and time and so on it seems to be half sense and half confusion. (Some truth but then goes sideways.) But hey, it could just be me. Some people need things explained different ways to make sense. And neither math nor science has ever been my forte. I'm more of a visual/language/artsy person.



Apperently any education outside of Scietology education is pointless. :shock:
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doubleVee; I assume you were at a public school and not a scientology school? If I remember correctly Kendra has almost only had Scientology based schooling and other education, and as with any other overzealous religious school what doesn't fit is altered or removed.

Clammer; Yeah, I too understand the wording and the point he is trying to make. At least well enough to understand how utterly insane and popped up on drugs Hubbard was. It comes in two categories;
1) Simplistic (almost to the point of insufficient) definitions rewritten.
2) Stuff which is so absurd it could only have been cooked up on massive amounts of acid or LSD.
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Post Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:09 pm

No, I was in almost exclusively Scn schools. About 10 different ones? I went to public school once, for 2 weeks, in 1st grade. I went to a catholic private school for about 2 months.
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Post Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:16 am

on the question of time.. do not belive L Ron. he stole his work from edgar cayce L Ron took god out of the pitcher and then added sifi to it. greed hate and fair game... find out about the akashic records and its interpretation then you will understand time. there 3 or 4 pages here in front of me to long to post. there are over 2000 books on cayce he spoke 13 language. there was nothing he could not do...he had teams of scientist for over 40 years whent to cayce for the answers..

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