Anyone have a link to the Full OT docs?

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Post Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:02 pm

Anyone have a link to the Full OT docs?

hey, finally, decided o read all the OT levels, but don't know where to find them!!!!!

Someone send me a link!

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Post Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:44 pm

Good for you, hun!

Just one problem here: we can't post links to copyrighted materials on this site. Sorry! It leaves us open for litigation.
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Post Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:57 pm

All I can say is check Wikileaks
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Post Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:02 pm

Noooo, you'll get sick when you read them :o
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Post Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:21 pm

Orderous wrote:All I can say is check Wikileaks

Yup, it even has the audio of Hubbard talking about Xenu (or is it Xemu?) etc Found it very hard to listen to though.
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:16 am

Quite a bit of stuff has been released via bittorrent, including the OT levels (server bandwidth is expensive, bittorrent is free). Also worth noting that Steven Fishman managed to attach the OT3 materials to his affidavit submitted to a court of law (and are thus public domain in this context).

However I have heard rumour that the "anon" version of OT3 is different from the "fishman" version. I have not checked/confirmed this myself (can anyone verify/deny this). If true it implies one of:
1. Fishman version is incorrect.
2. Anon version is incorrect.
3. Both versions are incorrect.
4. Both versions are correct (RTC squirrelled it)
5. The rumour was incorrect

Google is your friend here, so a few search terms to point you in the right direction:

scientology secretdox
ot scientology torrent
chanology scientology torrent
fishman ot3
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:30 am

PS. If you do get sick and die from reading the upper level materials, please let us know, as nobody yet who has died from reading the OT3 materials has posted online to share their experiences :-)
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:33 am

James McGuigan wrote:PS. If you do get sick and die from reading the upper level materials, please let us know, as nobody yet who has died from reading the OT3 materials has posted online to share their experiences :-)

I got a headache from listening to Hubbard discussing Xenu (Xemu), does that count? :D
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:22 am

He really goofed the fluke :)
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:14 am

James McGuigan wrote:PS. If you do get sick and die from reading the upper level materials, please let us know, as nobody yet who has died from reading the OT3 materials has posted online to share their experiences :-)


LOOOOL! (Please don't ask me what "laugh out out out out loud" means. It just, you know, feels right.)

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Post Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:47 am

Gawker (http://gawker.com/) has now picked the story of leaked audio of Hubbard talking about everyone's favourite galactic ruler. Not sure if I'm allowed to post the link to the article or not here.
Mods:is it ok to put a direct link to the gawker article?
If you've got a dig account a few diggs for this story would help spread the word.
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Post Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:52 am

So did you find it and what did you think of the story?
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Post Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:32 am

I am not a lawyer, but laws on linking to (as opposed to hosting) copyrighted material on another site should in theory be fine. Though to play it safe, its maybe best to link to web page containing it rather than a direct link to the file itself.

Also note that not alll useage of copyrighted materials is copyright infringment. The right to fair use and satire does still exist. In this case, Gawker have made the call that their use is fair-use, and they are taking the legal risk here, thus it should be safe to link to them.

On a practical side, assuming the ESK server is US based, we would be covered by the DMCA. If we host copyright material, the copyright holder must file a DMCA notice including the link to the file. We would then have 48 hours to either remove the file or submit a counter-notice saying we are within our rights to host it. If we file a counter notice, then they have 14 days to sue us or STFU. This is how it applies for directly hosted material.

The law varies by country and the difference between what a nasty laywer will threaten and what will actually stand up in court can often be quite different, and often depends on the nuances of the legal arguments used. The laws on P2P file sharing and bittorrent trackers relate to the whole issues of linking to copyrighted materials.
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Post Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:05 am

James McGuigan wrote:LEGAL STUFF.

cool, thanks for clearing that up. Someone else posted the direct link to gawker at :
http://www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/viewtopic.php?t=2712 so it's not on my head now :)

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