Question for Jughood or Pro-Scientologists (OTIII Refs!)

[Tru2form]

[Grundy]

I can comment on that too btw.

I haven't actually read all the materials but, hey, it's kind of hard not to "get" what it is.

And although I am against the church, I am pro-scientology.

I believe that it's possible that such things happened. Not from a "scientific" viewpoint, but from a "faith" viewpoint.

I haven't actually experienced the level, so I do not know if running it would actually help, etc. I would have to experience it. But just because it looks like a bunch of BS, it doesn't mean that it might not be enjoyable to run the process.

The story of the christian messiah is also something that, looking objectively, sounds wierd. But does it mean it never happened? No.

The fact that I don't beleive it, doens't alter the fact that there ARE people that believe it or know it with all their heart and soul.

I don't know if this is a distraction to the comm cycle with jughood, but there's my take.

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[RLSteve]

You know, when I think about it, the OT III incident probably wouldn't necessarily stop a depressed person from seeking help from Scientology.

All it takes to be converted, really, is some really nice Scientologists promoting it, some love bombing, and an auditing session where the you have "wins." And if you feel happier and you feel good compared to how you felt before, you're not going to care that there might be a bizarre sci-fi story on OT III.

I guess it's analogous to a depressed atheist being saved by Jesus and converting to Christianity.

"I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys."

Sorry. I know you have a serious question. But that really is what comes to mind!

In reading Dianetics what i have seen is that LRH makes repeated assertions which he then tries to provide vague examples for. However, this is totally backwards from the scientific process. "Dianetics Works!' is hardly a testable premise when 'dianetics' is never defined, or defined so vaguely that it could be anything. Critical thinkers of that time saw this and rightly warned people against it. The problem was and is that people do tend to follow authority (remember the gradually increasing electric shock experiments, anyone?) if authority asserts itself strongly enough to overcome their basic instincts of right and wrong. IMHO this is one of the foundational techniques for drawing people in to Scientology.

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TRUEFORM
Your dad was an exorcist? You can still BE an exorcist? Terril, that's so cool, I don't know whether to compose a metal song to your father or rethink my entire worldview or both.

TERRIL
My Father has passed away. I think He'd be honoured to have a song
composed in his honour. He was also a healer in the Order of St Johm or something similar.

I know some " Squirrel" Philipina catholics who very seriously get into excorcism.

Now hold your hat!

They had someone who was sick, and the excorcist and helpers visited and put holy water and a cross on her, and the person said the cross was very hot and then went into a trance, or as described was possessed by the person who had put a bad spell or bad wish on her. The excorcist
beat the sick person with a broomstick and asked who she was, and
got a name, carried on beating and then asked the person to remove the spell. This apparently happened. The sick person woke up, not remembering what happened and was better the next day. Doctors had found no cause for the extreme fatigue etc.

Another person had an extremely severe case of excema, something that is very difficult if not impossible to cure. And the Drs hadn't. She had
a ceremony with matches held to her body and got very hot but dosn't remwember much. Within a couple of days the excema had gone. I was witness to that.

Another case of multiple excorcisms. Several healers handled people one after the other. Holding parts of the body, and saying "go back to where you belong". Sometimes the person walked in a trance and then woke up wondering how they had moved.

I say squirrel not because of the excorcism methods but that at least some of them followed a spiritual leader who channelled Jesus alledgedly.
They still think they are main stream catholics though.

" I consider the "Magickal" roots of scientology to be something to attract peoples interest to scientology. Its definitely a minority viewpoint! "

TRUEFORM
I don't know that this is necessarily true. I mean, it puts a lot of people off, but my 15-year-old Wiccan experimenting self would have thought that was really cool. Might have kept me in a bit longer. Instead, I was thown into ethics for burning incense and making little love charm sachets.

... Wow, that's more embarassing than I remember. *wince*[/quote]

TERRIL
Ah! that explains the comm lag for them working. After all your just back from honeymoon.

You should have told the E/O that you were just going back to the source of source. After all he did recomend one of Crowleys books in the PDC lectures.

There are approx 60 freezone groups in the former russian states.