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 Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Blog - You Can't Say Cult In England |
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The following blog appeared today. A while back, this writer exposed another Scn story (emeters on ebay), and after the internet picked up the story, he got a call from the New York times. A great article followed. Our friends in London need help with this one. Take a look, tell a friend and REPOST.
http://realitybasedcommunity.net/archive/2008/05/you_cant_say_cu.php
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Hmm, good article, but I must say that I don't like the tin-foil hattery about the CoL taking bribes and being Scientologists.
Anyone who's been liason with the police or been talking to the guys on the ground with us, knows that all they're doing is following orders, because it's not the City of London who are at fault, but the Crown Prosecution Service through the Hate Crimes Squad.
A good post explaining the issue, from the person who's been making all the calls to the CPS and CoL;
| theanonymoustipster wrote: | This is how it happened. Absolute fact, not a case of interpretation (except for ones marked *):
Scilons baaw to every police force in the land
None of the forces want to take the jump and involve the CPS, as they are bureaucratic twats
CoL is the first to cave as they get harassed the most. All other forces sigh in relief.
CPS make bad decision, everyone knows it but because the CoL asked for advice, they have to listen to it. The other forces dont as they didnt ask for it
This leads to ENG, the inspector on the day was less than thrilled but had no choice
ENG is being done under public order act (fact). The inspector obviously cant say exact details, but my guess is its not specifically the sign as they know thats retarded. It is more likely he is being done for non-compliance (didnt take it down when asked)*
ENG probably will go to court, but what the court decides is anybody's guess*
The CPS are reviewing their decision, and will hopefully reverse it |
As for them taking bribes, that story is old, and whomever was involved has alredy recieved an appropriate ass reaming.
(Sorry about being so critical, but a lot of people, WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A LONDON PROTEST, are starting to act like we should become enemies of the police. And I'm trying to nip it before it spreads over here)
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Sharone Stainforth
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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(Sorry about being so critical, but a lot of people, WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A LONDON PROTEST, are starting to act like we should become enemies of the police. And I'm trying to nip it before it spreads over here)
Quite right. The Police on the ground at the TCR have been extremely friendly and are just doing their jobs.It would not do to get on the wrong side of them,it is better that they are supportive or at least unbiased rather than have them side with the Scienos.
I am betting though that Scientology did try and win over the support of the Met when they opened the Celebrity Center.Whether they succeeded or not is another matter.
I hope ENGs case gets thrown out.
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Okay. Sounds like you all have the situation in hand. But, I'm not exactly sure we were reading the same Blog. The article I posted was a LEGAL analysis. While I'm sure the police have been most friendly, as the article explained, it appears that they are getting direction from someone to misapply a law in order to silence protesters.
I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone, however, I see nothing particularly "tin-foil" hatty about the blog. Nor did it appear to me to be particularly anti-police.
In any event, it is no business of mine, as I have never been to a London protest.
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| lawanon wrote: | | I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone, however, I see nothing particularly "tin-foil" hatty about the blog. Nor did it appear to me to be particularly anti-police. |
Oh, in this article it's fine, at least opposed to what some people have posted. But it started with something as little as that, just a passing comment that the police once did recieve gifts from the CoS, on Enturb as well. And at this point some people are nearly militaristically adamant about us being assholes to the fuzz in return.
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| lawanon wrote: | Okay. Sounds like you all have the situation in hand. But, I'm not exactly sure we were reading the same Blog. The article I posted was a LEGAL analysis. While I'm sure the police have been most friendly, as the article explained, it appears that they are getting direction from someone to misapply a law in order to silence protesters.
I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone, however, I see nothing particularly "tin-foil" hatty about the blog. Nor did it appear to me to be particularly anti-police.
In any event, it is no business of mine, as I have never been to a London protest. |
If you find any more legal analysis I would appreciate it if you would share. I am studying to be an attorney and find these things fascinating and possibly helpful.
FYI, I plan to do constitutional appellate law, so I will be on the side of groups such as Anon, don't worry  |
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[quote="dwest"] | lawanon wrote: |
FYI, I plan to do constitutional appellate law, so I will be on the side of groups such as Anon, don't worry |
Yes! That's what I like to hear! 
You know what would be amazing? A schloarship fund for ESK's to go to law school. That would be an investment worth making!
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[quote="lawanon"] | dwest wrote: | | lawanon wrote: |
FYI, I plan to do constitutional appellate law, so I will be on the side of groups such as Anon, don't worry |
Yes! That's what I like to hear!
You know what would be amazing? A schloarship fund for ESK's to go to law school. That would be an investment worth making! |
That would be a great investment. We need people in law who understand the special circumstances that people who have left cults, including the CoS, are facing. Often they will be dealing with issues that include being sued by the cult, or having funds denied them by family that are due to them. In some cases, they simply need to be able to obtain a passport that the cult has taken possession of. There are so many issues a person who has left could bring to the field of law. I know that I hope to be able to do some work in this field, but someone in a group such as the Sea Org could bring much more to the playing field than I could. |
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| Sharon wrote: | | I hope ENGs case gets thrown out. |
The CPS has thrown out the case. Basically told them to go back and look at what constitutes threatening/offensive behaviour.
Oh, Liberty may be taking the City Of London Police to court over the matter.
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| ScudMuffin wrote: | | Oh, Liberty may be taking the City Of London Police to court over the matter. |
I hope they don't. Cause it will be about free speech and not the CoS, and everything Anonymous is will become a back story and not the front story.
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| Orderous wrote: | | ScudMuffin wrote: | | Oh, Liberty may be taking the City Of London Police to court over the matter. |
I hope they don't. Cause it will be about free speech and not the CoS, and everything Anonymous is will become a back story and not the front story. |
I see why you are concerned. It is important to stay on message. In this situation, however, I see a major upside to Liberty's continuing efforts. To some extent, the Anonymous movement was a product of the collective reaction to Scn's repeated efforts to sensor free speech on the internet. In other words, the CoS (in it's present form) fights for the evisceration of our freedoms -- and that scares people like me.
It follows, then, that the CoS can only survive in a society where freedoms are "erodable," whether by way of bully tactics or corrupting influences. Quid pro quo relationships with governmental authorities are VITAL to the operations of the CoS. These relationships have been discovered time and time again, over decades, in every country where the CoS flourishes. The CoS knows that access to one well-placed individual in a position of authority can greatly advance its' goals.
As you have said, Anonymous cannot fall into the trap of believing the police are the enemy. Rather, these entities are all potential allies to the movement. But, it would seem, because the movement is so new, these entities really don't know anything about Anonymous. The CoS, on the other hand, has a highly-developed political network, and as such, is getting first crack at defining the combatants with these entities.
Liberty, which is no shabby operation, obviously respects the goals of Anonymous, and the Director of Liberty seems like an absoultely extraordinary woman with significant political contacts:
"Shami Chakrabarti has been Director of Liberty (The National Council for Civil Liberties) since September 2003. Shami first joined Liberty as In-House Counsel on 10 September 2001. She became heavily involved in its engagement with the “War on Terror” and with the defence and promotion of human rights values in Parliament, the Courts and wider society.
A Barrister by background, she was called to the Bar in 1994 and worked as a lawyer in the Home Office from 1996 until 2001 for Governments of both persuasions.
Since becoming Liberty’s Director she has written, spoken and broadcast widely on the importance of the post-WW2 human rights framework as an essential component of democratic society. She is a Governor of the London School of Economics and the British Film Institute, a Visiting Fellow of Nuffield College, Oxford and a Master of the Bench of Middle Temple."
Although Anonymous must stay on target, Liberty has a job to do as well, and I hope they do it because you will all be safer at your protests as a result, and you will get even more free press!
Anonymous now has an ally in Liberty, and Liberty (a government insider) can open many doors for the group. I suspect that Liberty will not dilute the message of Anonymous, rather, it will become a powerful new tool in the Anonymous arsenal.
I say use it!
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Anonymous now has an ally in Liberty, and Liberty (a government insider) can open many doors for the group. I suspect that Liberty will not dilute the message of Anonymous, rather, it will become a powerful new tool in the Anonymous arsenal.
I am inclined to go along with this, as iv'e often found in life,it's not what you know but who you know that can open doors.Sad fact of life.
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